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Bacterial Infection and Yeasty Ears
  • Bruder's ears have been bothering him over the last few days...both of them.  I took him into the vet this morning and they have diagnosed bacterial infections in both ears.  She said that they are yeasty as well.  So she prescribed Ciprofloxacin 250MG along with Mometamax solution.  Thoughts or concerns on this stuff?

    Also, I never can remember....give yogurt for yeasty ears?  Or avoid yogurt for yeasty ears.

    I'm going to add Olive Leaf to help fight the bacteria at mealtime.

  • CoBuHe
    So she prescribed Ciprofloxacin 250MG along with Mometamax solution

    Momentamax is sort of the middle-road in "in the ear" bacterial fighting stuff.  Cipro is a relatively broad-spectrum oral antibiotic.  Between the two they are likely to way ramp up yeasty ears and yeasty anything else.  (gee, Cipro gives ME a yeast infection ow!)

    Yes, yogurt is typically a good thing to combat yeast BUT honestly, I'd go to a real decent probiotic from a health store.  (and remember to give it at least two-three hours 'off' from the antibiotic).  NOW Brand's Gr-8-dolphilus is good and doesn't need refrigerating if that's a concern.

    Given what the vet's giving, I would honestly be skedaddling back in there 3 days (no longer) after the meds (MOmentamax) are gone to culture the ears -- sounds to me like a pretty nasty bacteria or the vet wouldn't have attacked it both topically and orally.

     

  • Thanks so much for responding Callie.  I'll pick up a Probiotic at the store tomorrow and will be sure to go back for a culture after the 10 day treatment.

  • Hi,

    I wouldn't really recommend using the type of ear solution you squirt in the ear as you run the risk of forcing the bacteria deeper in the ear. I personally use unscented baby wipes for ear cleaning as I have a dog that is allergic to every ear cleaning solution I have tried. If you are in doubt of what to use I would recommend asking your vet though he/she should have told you what to use if they told you to clean between applications

  • Oh Bruder...are you worrying your mom again?  Not really any advise for you....Dr. Callie has great advise!  Just wanted you to know I got Bruder in my thoughts today.

    Hope he gets over this hurdle.

  • Aw... Bruder says thanks!  Someone opened up an old thread here.  Bruder is just fine and got over his ear infection quickly....yes, Dr. Callie always has great advice!

  • You should check out the purple magic...a home mixture of genetian violet, boric acid and alcolhol.  I've been doing on my 3 dogs and its GREAT.  We are on maintenance schedlule...the bulldogs once a week and the golden about every 2/3 months.   It is dirt cheap to mix it. Lasts a long time.  Google it.  I've turned dog friends who now swear by it.  You'll never buy expensive ear drops and liquids agian....I never understood how putting a wetting solution in an ear was any good  when you need to dry it out.

  • HollyandLolaMom
    purple magic...a home mixture of genetian violet, boric acid and alcolhol. 

    On here it's "Blue Power Ear Solution" -- I've posted the recipe MANY times.  It is the best thing ever.

     

  • We struggled with really bad ear infections (yeast & bacterial) with Apollo for several months. They started after we treated him for ehrlichia (doxycycline) and pneumonia (clavamox) after we first adopted him. We went through so many different antibiotics and ear washes I honestly couldn't tell you what they all were, other than the last one we used was T8 Keto. What finally helped was switching the dog biscuits we were offering. We were giving Innova Wellbars (a good brand) but when we switched to Old Mother Hubbards, the ear issues stopped.

    Not trying to be an alarmist, but not long after the battle with the ear infections and subsequent treatment, Apollo had sudden and unexplained liver and kidney issues. A holistic vet I consulted with told me that some of the ear infection treatment meds (drops and washes) have been linked to both liver and kidney damage. I have not yet researched this statement... but it's one of many theories we have for his kidney/liver issues and the timing definitely fits. It's enough to scare me into trying a more natural approach if we have issues in the future. Ear wash will be apple cider vinegar/water mixture and this "healthy ear recipe" was provided to me:

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    Healthy Ear Recipe (from Arcane)

    1 tube Monistat (generic is fine)

    1 tube Polysporin (use the real deal - it's inexpensive)

    Use tubes of similar size. Mix all three together in a container that can be closed well. It takes a bit to incorporate because the Polysporin is a bit like Vaseline. Once incorporated, it stays mixed.

    If ears are gunky, inflamed or smell bad, start with using a pea sized dollop twice a day. Use your finger to gently push it into the ear. Rub. Dogs will only shake their heads once or twice! It's a creamy, very soothing mixture. Once you have the ears under control, lessen how often you use it till you're only using it once a week. Once a week keeps ears from getting bad again.

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    As far as probiotic, I use acidophilus and bifidus (the ones intended for human use) for my dogs.

  • The problem with the monistat and polysporine is that they stay IN the ear and can trap moisture.  Now I've used a zillion tubes of monistat in my time with dogs, but you may want to try the Blue Power Ear stuff (along with some of my cautions).  SOME dogs can be overly sensitive to one of the anti-bacterials in polysporin ointment.  Not all -- but some can.  You'll hear a lot of people tell you not to use it for that reason.

    Most of the ear stuff the vet gives you has DMSO in it -- which helps the antibiotic cross from the outer ear deeper in (particularly if there is swelling) ... and which also then can cross into the liver and kidneys.  ANY TIME you give meds of any sort (and I'm going to include things like flea preps and heartworm preventives as well as ANY antibiotics -- whether topical or oral)  it's a darned good idea to give milk thistle to protect the liver and kidneys for at least a few weeks even after you stop the antibiotics (i.e., during and continue after).

    The regular "blue" ear cleaner (Chlorhexaderm, etc.) not only can cross into the liver, but even more it will cross the ear drum barrier if there is any sort of rupture (not uncommon in bad ears) and it can deafen them.

    But ear infections come in two types. The typical "yeast" ear infection is from moisture in the ears and it particularly troubles flop-eared dogs (cockers to beagles and labs and beyond). BUT I stress here, if you follow these instructions CAREFULLY and thoroughly - doing it every day as directed and giving it the "massage time" it requires, you can kill many ear infections. BUT if the two weeks doesn't totally 'cure' this or if even after a week you see no real improvement GO TO THE VET. I know you've already been there, but I'm saying that for the lurkers reading.

    Bacterial ear infections are the other type and they are VERY serious. Not only can they rob a dog of their hearing they CAN KILL if left go. It can cause an abscess in the ear (just like in a tooth only worse) and if that ruptures it will drive infection into the brain and not only is it excruciating IT WILL KILL. Infection in the brain is meningitis and beyond and the dog can die instantly if it ruptures.

    Ok, so now everbuddy reading this knows this can be serious. But if you just plain *know* your dog runs recurrent yeasty ear infections, this can help control them.

    IF the Blue Power Ear Stuff doesn't totally get rid of this, then you'll have to go to the next level and have the vet do a "culture and sensitivity" test on those ears. Because if there is a bacterial infection deep within, you won't get the ears to heal otherwise.

    The Blue Power Ear Solution was first circulated on the AOL Cocker Spaniel Board. This is a home-made recipe and if all you are dealing with is yeast ear infections it will really help them. I gave it to my vets and they refer it all the time. It's actually safer than the purply/blue stuff that the vet sells you (chlorhexiderm can cause deafness if used too much) and it's way cheaper because once you have this you can keep making new batches of it. I often take bottles to folks I know do rescue.

    DOWNSIDE - this stuff stains. You ***Must*** put it in their ears outside so they can shake and not stain everything because gentian violet is just like ink!!! However, after you use it, plain alcohol

    WILL remove it -- so I've discovered you can even use it on light colored dogs if you're willing to wipe out/off the ears after. But use this stuff outside or where it won't matter.

    RECIPE:

    16 oz. bottle isoprophyl alcohol (just a cheap under a dollarl a bottle)

    4 tablespoons boric acid (use human boric acid -- it's about $3.50 at a 'real' pharmacy)

    15-17 drops gentian violet (1 or 2% , but the 1% is MUCH cheaper and is fine) - again regular pharmcy

    You'll need a medicine dropper to use to measure the gentian violet

    Add the boric acid and gentian violet to the alcohol (Yep, it will all fit in that brand new bottle of alcohol -- surprising but true). Shake well.

    Transfer some into a squirt bottle (an old shampoo bottle or a hair dye bottle -- anything with a squirt top on it). The boric acid never dissolves til it hits the skin so you have to shake constantly.

    The boric acid soothes. The gentian violet deals with the yeast. Even 15 drops of this in a whole bottle of alcohol *does* stain. But it sure works.

    Gentian violet is the stuff that they give human babies with "thrush" (oral yeast infection).

    The alcohol is the antibacterial - if the ear is really inflamed it can sting **very** briefly -- but this stuff is amazingly soothing and it will calm the itch almost immediately.

    If the ear is bad use this twice a day for 2 weeks -- just squirt in and massage behind the ear. The first day don't worry about massaging, but thereafter massage for a minute EACH EAR.

    Yes, I'm serious -- COUNT. They'll discover this does NOT hurt, but rather it soothes, and after you are done massaging, they will shake their head violently and all sorts of yuck and junk will fling out. THAT IS GOOD.

    After 2 weeks of twice a day, then do a week at least of once a day, then just put it on maintenance once a week.

  • Rott-n-GSDs
    Not trying to be an alarmist, but not long after the battle with the ear infections and subsequent treatment, Apollo had sudden and unexplained liver and kidney issues. A holistic vet I consulted with told me that some of the ear infection treatment meds (drops and washes) have been linked to both liver and kidney damage.

     

       Some of Jessie's liver enzymes were elevated a few years ago on a routine blood test. I had just finished treating her for 10 days with Panalog  for infections in both ears. My vet said the enzymes were probably elevated because of the steroid in the Panalog and should return to normal. We rechecked her a few months later and they were okay. So, washes and medications with steroids can cause some of the liver enzymes to elevate, but it seems that you would have to use them a lot to cause permanent damage.

     Edited to add; Your dogs are beautiful!!!

  • jessies_mom

    Some of Jessie's liver enzymes were elevated a few years ago on a routine blood test. I had just finished treating her for 10 days with Panalog  for infections in both ears. My vet said the enzymes were probably elevated because of the steroid in the Panalog and should return to normal. We rechecked her a few months later and they were okay. So, washes and medications with steroids can cause some of the liver enzymes to elevate, but it seems that you would have to use them a lot to cause permanent damage.

     Edited to add; Your dogs are beautiful!!!

    Aww, thanks for the compliment!

    Apollo suddenly began having polydipsia/polyuria and his BUN, Creatinine, and ALT (and one other liver level I've forgotten the name of) were all mysteriously elevated.  Went to a specialist at a University vet clinic, did a Lepto test (negative), plenty of urine tests (negative, aside from very low urine specific gravity).  The levels seemed to go down on their own (possibly due to antibiotics - Clavamox), and then the ALT went back up again (with no symptoms aside from a sweetish smell).  I haven't had them tested in awhile.... I started chiro treatments and the smell went away.. and he still is showing no symptoms.  I should really take him in and get another CBC done... but I'm a bit scared to see the results.  It's been such a nightmare... such a roller coaster ride!  The initial vet who examined him basically told me my dog was going to die!

    Sorry for the thread hijack! Embarrassed