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oh good grief (rant!)

Last post 10-11-2008 8:43 PM by glenmar. 23 replies.
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  • 10-01-2008 9:32 AM In reply to espencer

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    Re: oh good grief (rant!)

    We weren't discussng you. We are discussing a person who doesn't have a lot of knowledge but wants to help. My point, and that of some other posters, is that you can't just walk into a situation and affect immediate, long lasting change, when the family isn't willing to even ackowledge that there is an issue.
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  • 10-10-2008 2:22 PM In reply to Zloca19

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    Re: oh good grief (rant!)

    This dog needs serious help and it doesn't sound like this family is going to provide it. I have to agree with part of Espencer's post. If they are not committed and willing to listen and spend some money on a private behavioralist NO ONE can help them. You made some mistakes, but the real issue is whether they are willing to commit to the resources needed to turn this dog around. It will mean behavior modification on the entire family's part. Otherwise, this dog will bite again. Guaranteed.

    Honestly, I'd present option one as making the serious effort needed and option two as euthanizing. You can possibly find a rescue or no kill shelter, but they tend to be full of dogs without serious issues.

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  • 10-10-2008 2:39 PM In reply to Stacita

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     I'm not convinced this dog HAS serious issues.  I think he's just big, immature and has had ZERO training.  I also think he has been misunderstood and mishandled by the folks around him, but I'll grant you it is HARD to judge from the sidelines like this without astuclly seeing firsthand, and very easy to misread or get it wrong.

    Honestly?  If my assessment of the situation was anywhere near right, I would take him in a heartbeat, and I have a baby.  

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  • 10-10-2008 3:10 PM In reply to Chuffy

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    Re: oh good grief (rant!)

    I hope you are correct and I have a lot of confidence that someone like you could be just fine with this dog. I do consider resource guarding to be a serious issue.

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  • 10-10-2008 3:36 PM In reply to Stacita

    Re: oh good grief (rant!)

    I know, and so do A LOT of people, including virtually all shelters.  I'm probably weird that I don't consider it as much of an issue.  But then again, I also live by the maxim: It's as much of an issue as you make it.

    Our dogs are NOT allowed to be messed with when they eat, regardless.  We expect the same from them when WE eat.  As it happens, they are both excellent around food and I CAN remove any item from them without issues. 

    I think this particular issue has arisen from lack of structure.  Provide the structure and that's half the battle.  It may also be that the dog has learned a successful way to ward people off food that he wants or wants to keep - that part I would tackle with positive training and NILIF.

    To me, it's natural to guard resources.  Perhaps not ACCEPTABLE (dog + teeth + kid = tragedy) but natural, even in a dog who is NOT a) probably hungry virtually ALL the time and b) lacking of any kind of structure or consistency in his life, like the one in the OP.

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  • 10-10-2008 5:11 PM In reply to Chuffy

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    Re: oh good grief (rant!)

    I truly wish that this dog had found a different home.

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  • 10-11-2008 7:28 AM In reply to Stacita

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    Re: oh good grief (rant!)

    My point was that not even a professional can go into a situation like this and affect LASTING change without the cooperation of the household members.  To say that this was an ill advised addition to the family is rather an understatement!

    I suspect that this pup is just a completely undisciplined bully, and the family has made him that way.  There is nothing in his behavior that horrifies me, that I don't believe a good trainer couldn't correct.  Honestly, I would be comfortable working with this dog, one on one, and feel that I could turn him around, and I'm not a trainer, good or bad.  I've had fosters worse than what's been described.  But, unlike the mom in the story, I have long years of experience with churlish four footers, and no small children to worry about.

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  • 10-11-2008 12:26 PM In reply to glenmar

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    Re: oh good grief (rant!)

    Yep, I agree. He's too young to be a bona fide jerk, but he sure is a pill. And for that I see him heading to the pound soon.

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  • 10-11-2008 8:43 PM In reply to nfowler

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    Re: oh good grief (rant!)

    OMG!! I just had a brilliant idea! Some schools have programs where they give a "real live baby" doll to high school students for a week or so and make them responsible for that "baby". I think there is a computer of some kind built in that records feedings, changes, length of crying, blah, blah, blah..... How about someone making a "real live puppy" doll for potential pet owners?? Wouldn't that rock? So, if one of you guys comes up with a prototype, please remember where the idea came from and pass along a bit of the riches?
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