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Grumbling/Growling Ridgeback-- Need Insight or Help

Last post 10-09-2008 5:46 PM by Agnes L.. 6 replies.
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  • 10-08-2008 8:08 PM

    • Agnes L.
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    Grumbling/Growling Ridgeback-- Need Insight or Help

    I recently (August) added Catherine, a rhodesian ridgeback rescue (spayed, maybe 7 or 8 yrs old, about 100 lb.) to my household.

    My household included Gracie, an approx 17 year old ridgeback who's slowing down, my hubby and 2 1/2 year old boy/girl twins (the boy has some develomental delays and is just learning to walk). When the kids were born, we had another RR rescue who passed away in May.

    Catherine has some fear issues. For the first few weeks, she would cower regularly (and do some fear peeing if pushed) if she felt she was being asked to come somewhere. Out for a walk, get out of the car, come out into the yard to potty, etc. With time and patience, that has subsided. If she became fearful, we left her alone for a few minutes until she relaxed.  I was pretty happy she seemed to be coming out of her shell.

    THe last two weeks or so I have noticed she has started grumbling, now turning into a low growling, when either Gracie or anybody else (me, hubby, or the kids) brush up against her (a few times in my son's case falling against her while practicing walking, in my daughters case, abruptly sitting down and landing on a toe, in Gracie's case walking too close to where she is laying).  We still try to avoid leaving her and the kids alone together. The kids are pretty respectful of dogs, but still toddlers, so not perfect. Catherine does not seem to mind the kids and in fact will lick the backs of their necks to make them laugh. And she is fine with them petting her (with me watching).

    Catherine does not sleep on furniture.  At times, she may be laying on a pillow or throw rug. There is a designated dog bed that has a plastic fence on three sides of it -- that is Gracie's indoor bed and the kids know not to enter the bed, whether or not Gracie is there (maybe I should designate a doggie bed area that is exclusively Catherine's?). Lately, Catherine as been trying to use Gracie's private designated bed.

    I am fearful Catherine will nip a child. SHe is hardly an alpha dog (quite the opposite). I think what I am asking for help with is to understand what she is saying in doggie language. Is she trying to assert dominance over Gracie? Should I start having the kids feed her when they walk up to her so she has positive associations with them? So far, I have been telling them not to feed the dogs. Niether dog is food aggressive--I can add food to or move their food bowl while they are eating with no reaction (though they eat at opposite ends of the room). When Catherine has grumbled, I have not really corrected her (I"ll say maybe "Catherine it's okay--Gabi can you apologize to Catherine for bumping into her"). Until the grumbling became growling, I was okay with letting her express that she needed some extra personal space. Raising your voice can panic her (and leave a puddle of pee).

    Maybe I am overreacting. But I want to try to nip the problem in the bud.  I am hoping to take some obedience classes with Catherine (though she is pretty good on walks I think it would help her confidence plus I want her to get her Canine Good Citizen). My hubby works erratic 14 hour shifts as a nurse which has complicated signing up for training. I can also say I have been under a lot of stress with a few events I have been putting on in the last few weeks/next few weeks. In November those will end.  I do not know if Catherine is picking up on my stress. SHe goes on daily walks and really enjoys them.

    I am hoping that I can understand what she is thinking/doing, and then work on correcting any problem within the pack.  Thanks in advance.

    Agnes

     

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  • 10-08-2008 9:35 PM In reply to Agnes L.

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    Re: Grumbling/Growling Ridgeback-- Need Insight or Help

    has she been vet checked for any health issues? Something that may be hurting her when you bump against her?

     

    And yes - I would give her her own doggy den, whether it's a crate, or a set up like you have for the other dog. Each needs to have their own space.



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  • 10-08-2008 10:16 PM In reply to erica1989

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    Re: Grumbling/Growling Ridgeback-- Need Insight or Help

    Catherine has a couple of lups on her body. Most jiggle and seem to be the fatty lumps, but one on the inside of her thigh seems attached to the muscle. She is getting it checked this Friday. Being in a bit of pain may explain the growling. Thanks.

    Agnes

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  • 10-08-2008 10:30 PM In reply to Agnes L.

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    Re: Grumbling/Growling Ridgeback-- Need Insight or Help

    My old Maggie would rather give herself up to be roasted alive, than harm one of the kids.  But she will give warning if they are coming to near to her.  She doesn't see well out of one of her eyes and has been lately unable to get out from underfoot quick enough to avoid getting stepped on.  Same foot, every time.  I totally understand and I let her do it - I know what it's like to have a sore foot and then have it stepped on, knocked into, over and over.  She's 15 years old and deserves some space.

    I'd just turn to this dog, assuming you've eliminated any outright reasons for her to be grumbly, and say, "Okay, I hear you" or something like that, when she grumbles.  That lets everyone else know she's got an issue, and lets her know you've got it under control.  This seems to satisfy Maggie, anyway. 

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  • 10-09-2008 3:29 AM In reply to brookcove

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    Re: Grumbling/Growling Ridgeback-- Need Insight or Help

     That approach satisfies Penny, too. She's nearly 13 and can't see well out of either eye. She grumbles when she thinks someone might be thinking about picking her up. She's also arthritic, so I suspect it hurts. If she grumbles at the pup and seems worried she's going to get wiped out, I shield her with my legs and tell her it's okay. She's usually content with that and seems to appreciate it.

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  • 10-09-2008 4:47 AM In reply to Agnes L.

    Re: Grumbling/Growling Ridgeback-- Need Insight or Help

     I haven't read the replies yet - these are my initial thoughts Smile

    How recently is "recently"?  I'm sure you know that with rescues, there is a "honeymoon period" of a couple of weeks, where the dog isn't really her true self.... she lacks in confidence and she finds out about her environment and it is after THAT that the reason for her surrender sometimes becomes clear.  

    Do you know anything of her background before she came to you?

    Has she had a THOROUGH vet check?  My first instinct is that she may be in pain, and possibly has been since arriving in your home, hence her reluctance to move and her grumbling.  Being trodden or fallen on accidentally may have hurt her more than you might think, if there is an existing condition.  If not, then I would be confident in addrssing this as a fear issue.  I believe it has Zero to do with dominance.

    Agnes L.:
    We still try to avoid leaving her and the kids alone together.

    As you should, regardless of her temperament or background Smile

    Agnes L.:
    Catherine does not sleep on furniture.  At times, she may be laying on a pillow or throw rug. There is a designated dog bed that has a plastic fence on three sides of it -- that is Gracie's indoor bed and the kids know not to enter the bed, whether or not Gracie is there (maybe I should designate a doggie bed area that is exclusively Catherine's?). Lately, Catherine as been trying to use Gracie's private designated bed.

    Emph added by me - YES!! Yes yoiu SHOULD!!  This is an excellent idea.  It will give Catherine confidence, if she knows that THAT is HER space - no one will bump into her, or in any way bother her, if she rests there.  A crate would be ideal.  Feed her meals there and teach the kids that they are not to go near it, just like with Gracies bed.

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  • 10-09-2008 5:46 PM In reply to Chuffy

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    Re: Grumbling/Growling Ridgeback-- Need Insight or Help

    Catherine was dropped off at a shelter while incontinent (she had a UTI which has since cleared up with antibiotics). SHe shelter pegged her at 10-12 years old while my vet thinks more like 7 or 8 based on teeth, etc.

    Catherine had a good breeder--all her dew claws were neatly removed (common w/RR's that will show or compete in lure coursing, etc.). I think she has good confirmation (though I have never shown RR's, so to me she has pretty angels, moves smoothly and clearly looks like a RR.)

    Yes, I do think she is coming out of her honeymoon time.  I think 3 weeks after we got her we put her in a doggy daycare for 5 days while we drove to so. california, so that probably messed with er adjustment period. 

    Initially, she would look worried when a child cried and looked to me for reassurance/petting. My feeling is maybe her old owners had a human baby and dumped her after they decided have a baby and a dog was too much (common, I hear).

    Catherine doesn't heel but will walk on a fairly loose lead. Her preference is to walk 5' in front of you, so there is some work to do.  She will sit and sometimes lay down if there is food involved. She is VERY gentle when taking food from your hand.

    She prefers to poop on concrete, and isn't wild about walking on grass, which makes me thinkshe either is unfamiliar with grass or was reprimanded for stepping on grass. She was spayed when she came into rescue and I don't think had puppies ever.

    At night, she prefers to lay in my doorway like a speed bump, I guess guarding me.  In the morning when the kids wake, she is eager to go in and sniff them and give them a little lick. I have been working on the command "find John" or find Gabi"--we go find the corresponding child in the house and then she gets a treat when she finds the child. She is sort of catching on--wags her tail while doing it and enjoys all the praise.

    No fear of cars in the street. When walking her on a flex, she got behind and I called her. She came, but in a curve into the street. I have since been told that this was appropriate doggie etiquette and that coming straight on is considered challenging unitl the owner trains them otherwise.

    Again, I will hopefully get more info tomorrow am about this lump on her inner leg that seems to be attached to muscle.  She has a few other lumps, but they jiggle. It may be possible she is aching. I will certainly mention her behavior to the vet.

    I will figure out a good place to put her designated dog bed. I have more of the SUperyard plastic fencing to clearly designate it as off bounds to the kids.  Thanks for the good suggestions so far.

    Agnes

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