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Controlling allergy symptoms

Last post 07-06-2008 11:54 PM by luvmyswissy. 6 replies.
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  • 06-26-2008 7:23 PM

    Controlling allergy symptoms

    Hello all- I'd like to know how you all help control allergies. I just want to know if there's anything more I can do to help out Kiera be more comfortable.

    We've known she has food allergies for a long time. We've switched from commercial food (I know, I know) to something that's better for her. It has really helped a lot. Right now we're using *** Van Patten's Natural Balance food. At first, she didn't like it- so she'd just eat our cat's food when we weren't looking (which obviously didn't help her allergies). We found a formula she likes though. She hasn't been eating it for a month yet, so we're hoping it works for her. (Here's the formula with ingredients if you're interested http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/dogformulas/LambDog.html ). This has helped her out so much. for a while, she was chewing at her feet until they bled. It got so bad we had to put the dreaded cone on her to stop her from tearing herself to bits.

    The vet seems to be stuck on the idea that it's just a food allergy, but we're pretty sure she has some environmental allergy too.  With the food, she just chewed her back feet, but this year when spring came around, she went after her front feet and legs, and chest as well. Her chest also has a foul oder, gets moist, and sometimes her skin is abnormally red. So we're pretty sure that because the new things showed up suddenly and with the season change that they're environmental. We don't have the money to get her tested.

    Anyway, we've tried lots of things to help her out, and many of them have done great, but don't solve the problem entirely (and probably can't be expected to since we don't know what the problem is specifically). 

    We've changed food, use Missing Link daily with her food, use soothing shampoo, use Skin So Soft when we rinse her after baths (sooths the skin and also helps repel bugs). We've tried a ton of generic 'anti-itch' sprays- very few of which actually do good. We use Sulfodine, Witch Hazel and a hydrocortisone spray for animals. These seems to help sooth, but their effects lessen if we use them too much, so we cycle them. If she breaks skin when chewing or looks like she has a rash we use hydrogen peroxide or betadine to disinfect.

    All this has helped her a lot. Her feet used to be completely devoid of fur, and they looked scaly and felt rough. Now they feel soft, and some hair is growing back in places. She no longer does the frantic chewing that makes her feet bleed. However, she still does lick and chew at her feet and scratch at her legs, chest and "armpits." The hair has thinned considerably on her chest and from legs from the scratching (very noticeable on a black dog).

    So, what else can I do? Is there anything I'm doing wrong? I'd really love to get her allergies completely under control, but it's hard with so many factors. It's hard to tell how much good the food is doing when there's something in the back yard bothering her too (that and sneaking kibbles from the kitty dish). We have an ant problem in our yard as well, and I know they bite her sometimes. Obviously I'd love if we could get her hair to grow back so she could have a nice full healthy coat again, but mainly I want her to be comfortable. Sometimes you can tell she's miserable with the itching.

    Is there anything else I can do to control the itching? To help her hair come back?

    Any help would be appreciated. Sorry for the size of the post :P 

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  • 06-26-2008 7:44 PM In reply to fiery_dragon

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    Re: Controlling allergy symptoms

    Allergies are such a nightmare to figure out and treat, so I know what you're going thru. Are you feeding her one of the Natural Balance Allergy Formulas now? I use the Duck & Potato and my allergy lab does better on that than anything else.

    I found that the best shampoo for dealing with the itchiness was Nu Sal T. You might Google it to read more about it. I was only able to order it online, but it was well worth it. My vet also recommended using a rinse of water and cider vinegar and I think the ration is like 1:4. It helps with the ph levels of the skin.

    My girl was crazy about the foot licking and I found that making a solution of very dark tea and then rinsing her feet in it a couple times a day, really helped. I put the solution in a squirt bottle and would just squirt it on outside and then towel off her feet. The tannins in the tea help dry out the feet and calm the itchiness.

    I use benadryl on a daily basis. My lab weighs about 75 lbs, so I give her 75mg in the AM and PM. If she's really having a bad time, I up it to 100mg, and if I'm home, I give it to her 3x a day. It probably helps more than anything else.

    Anyway - those are just some of the things I've found to help. Good luck!

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  • 06-26-2008 8:34 PM In reply to cakana

    Re: Controlling allergy symptoms

    Thank you for the reply!

    Currently Keira is on the Lamb Meal and Brown Rice formula- it a new limited ingredient diet formula that they recently introduced. So far she likes it more than the Duck and Potato, but we're waiting to see which she actually responds better to. (She did very well on the sweet potato and fish formula, but hated it so much that she ate whatever else she could find first, so it didn't do much good overall)

    I do use benadryl when she has a particularly bad day, but I've been tending to not use it recently so that I can gague the effectiveness of the new food and medications. I'd love it if we could eventually never have to use the benadryl since it makes her sleepy sometimes.

     I'll definitely look into the things you've recommended. Thank you very much!
     

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  • 06-26-2008 9:35 PM In reply to fiery_dragon

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    The thing is that you don't get the real effect of Benedryl if you only use it symptomatically and occasionally.  Then you are just medicating a symptom, not really maintaining the allergies.

    The dose is ultra important -- and YES it makes them sleepy -- but they do learn to deal with it.  Longer term, they actually get used to taking it and it effects them less negatively. 

    You *have* to give at least that 1 mg/lb dose and give it regularly **at least** twice a day because the whole point is to help the body deal with the histamines/allergens as they **COME IN** the body - not just the ones to which the body is already reacting.

    You may need to try a different antihistamine (Tavist, Claritin, Zyrtec - -there are tons of them that dogs can use -- ask your vet.)

    Vets can prefer to treat food allergies.  It's easier to control what goes in the dog's mouth than what goes in it's lungs.  But it sounds to me like you've pretty well determined there IS an environmental factor.  It may either be time to try some stuff on your own, and/or switch vets.  If you don't like the service and results you're getting -- let that guide you.

    I have had some of THE most monumental allergy dogs of all times.  Not just food allergy, but environmental, flea allergy and contact allergy as well. 

    At this point I home cook.  It's flatly easier.  I can completely control ingredients, I can add what helps and subtract what doesn't.  I *know* food isn't an issue.  Period. 

    At this point probably the most successful thing I'm doing is homepathy.  This isnt' just some new weirdo thing I'm trying -- I've found an excellent vet who specializes in homeopathy and we've had incredible success with it. AT this point, Billy doesn't even have to take Benedryl at all any more. 

    That is nothing short of astounding.  Now, he takes several different allergy homeopathics -- but heck, there are no bad side effects and he's happy and healthier than he's ever been.

    I'm not talking about "herbs" -- homeopathy is a completely different branch of alternative medicine.  If you're interested, contact me and I'll share my knowledge.  It's not 'convenient' -- you usually have to give them 3-4 times a day.  You really need a vet (they are a particular type of holistic vet -- it is a completely different modality than many holistic vets practice) who is knowledgeable.  The rewards are big tho. 

    You might even want to simply *try* some homeopathics.  Hylands "Hives" is a good allergy formula.  They also have a "Hayfever" formula --you can give BOTH of them and not hurt a thing.  No 'side effects' with homeopathy -- no sleepiness.  But you need to give probably 2 tablets of each 3-4 times a day.  

    Not in food, and not NEAR feeding.  Either crush the pellets with the back of a spoon (don't touch them at all -- pour them into a folded piece of paper) and then just pour the powder in the dog's mouth (it absorbs into the mucus membranes of the mouth and tongue)

    It's sweet -- my dogs will literally chew the tablets themselves.  You just don't want them to just swallow them -- they should absorb in the mouth, not the stomach.

    See if it helps.  It's not expensive, and not going to clash with anything else.  There are other brands (some better) but Hylands is typically easy to find in most any health store (like a store that sells vitamins, supplements and herbs). 


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  • 06-28-2008 10:36 PM In reply to calliecritturs

    Re: Controlling allergy symptoms

    Trudy had severe allergies. We tried many things and finally, we took her to a Vet Dermatologist. He helped her. Skin testing, Nat. Balance Food, Hydroxyzine medicine, anad I give her allergy shots from her serum I get from the Derm. Vet.

     She gets no steriods. That is usually what a reg. vet gives them. I give her a weekly bath to make her skin healthy and clean her hair of pollens etc.

    She is doing wonderfully now! 

     

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  • 06-30-2008 11:31 PM In reply to sallya

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    These darn allergies.  my KayCee was allertic to live oak nd pine ollen, bermuda grass, mold, fleas, and probqbly a few other things.  Spring andFall were worse for her.  But as strange as it may seem, her allergies seemed o lessen s she got older.  At least she didn't get as many ho spots, usualy one or two a year instead of the 4-6 she had when she was younger. 

     I can't explain it but wonder if it had something t do with the sups I was giving her the last few years--milk thistle, cranberry, Ester C, fish oil, Vitamin E, biotin, plus sups for her joints.

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  • 07-06-2008 11:54 PM In reply to sandra_slayton

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    Our pug has seasonal allergies and she take a daily antihistamine.  I also believe your vet can run allergy tests through blood work that may help pin point the problem.  My friends dog was allergic to the grass...

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