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Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

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  • 06-07-2008 10:41 AM

    Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    I'm on a quest again LOL.  Thinking about feeding one meal of kibble and another of a premix or honest kitchen (ordered Thrive online and it's supposed to arrive Monday).    I'm on a quest though, to find a kibble that does not cause beard/tear staining on my bichons. Or foot-chewing/yeasties. 

    One food I havn'et tried is Eagle Pack, which I would have to drive or order online to get, or Wellness Core, which is right up the road but I worry about pH and UTI's.

    Gimme your thoughts and suggestions please. :) 

    Gracias!

    Tiffani

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  • 06-07-2008 10:48 AM In reply to shamrockmommy

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    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    I'm confused, how does kibble cause beard and tear staining?

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  • 06-07-2008 1:39 PM In reply to shamrockmommy

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    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    I feed canned for breakfast, with a few kibbles thrown in for crunch (Wellness CORE - Ocean and whatever Wellness can is open), raw for lunch (NV medallions), and homecooked for supper.

    I haven't had any problems with UTI's and we've been using for for a while now. The eye goop situation isn't TOO bad, but it is Florida's major allergy season.

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  • 06-07-2008 8:37 PM In reply to jenns

    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    I'm also confused, but it's an amazing phenomena.  Whenever I feed sojos, both Lexi and Darby's beards and under eye area are perfectly white.  Whenever I try kibble, I get varying degrees of beard and tear staining.  Some of the very worst beard staining they ever had was when they were eating Nature's Variety.   Switch them off of the NV and a week later, the new hair growth is perfectly white again.  Completely weird, but my conclusion is it has to be something to do wiht the sprayed on vitamin mix that stains the hair  ?? 

    You got me! But I'd love to find a kibble that does NOT stain their faces.

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  • 06-07-2008 9:29 PM In reply to shamrockmommy

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    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    when we had the shih-tzus staying here, I fed them yogurt and the eye stains disappeared. I did that 3x's/week while they were eating Innova.

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  • 06-07-2008 9:44 PM In reply to jdata

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    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    On topic:  Some of my dogs get kibble and extras in the morning and in the evening they get a raw bone - it's about 25% of their diet.

    I like it because it's convenient, but I don't like the results as well as the 100% raw fed dogs.  Maggie and Ben both were done with their "hot weather" coat blow in a couple days.  It's dragging out for the rest of them - annoying because I just groomed them all a couple of weeks ago.

    On tear stains and diet:  Zhi (chinese crested, mostly white), gets icky eyes when she eats grains of any kind.  She does fine on anything else, with no extras added other than her usual fish oil.   The difference is dramatic enough that I feel the problem with grains for her goes deeper than eye goop, potentially.  So I just avoid them.

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  • 06-07-2008 9:48 PM In reply to brookcove

    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    Thanks, Brookcove.

    I never have tried anything grain free long term.  I know I fed solid gold's barking at the moon last summer and (duh) I didn't write anything down about it in their notebooks, but I recall I was happy with everything except their putting on some weight.

    Might be worth a try again though.

     

    It's good to hear some people feed this way and the dogs do well.

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  • 06-07-2008 10:33 PM In reply to shamrockmommy

    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    shamrockmommy:

    I'm also confused, but it's an amazing phenomena.  Whenever I feed sojos, both Lexi and Darby's beards and under eye area are perfectly white.  Whenever I try kibble, I get varying degrees of beard and tear staining.  Some of the very worst beard staining they ever had was when they were eating Nature's Variety.   Switch them off of the NV and a week later, the new hair growth is perfectly white again.  Completely weird, but my conclusion is it has to be something to do wiht the sprayed on vitamin mix that stains the hair  ?? 

     

    Which formula of NV were you feeding that caused this rampant tear staining? 

    Have you ever tried a kibble from the Natural Balance range?

    What about the Honest Kitchen premix food ... have you tried one of their formulas? If so, what's the result? 

     

    Lotsa questions, I know ... but I don't like mysteries <g>. 

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  • 06-08-2008 8:42 AM In reply to FussyPoodles

    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    It was NV Lamb formula.  And I'm wondering if it's not the montmorillite clay that stained Darby's beard so terribly... ?? it's a mystery! LOL

    We have also tried Nat. Balance Potato/Duck and that also caused tear and beard staining.   I also generally feed the accompanying canned along with dry, but in opposite proportion than you do- about 2/3 kibble and 1/3 canned. 

     Going to try the HK Thrive soon, as soon as it arrives :) And I'll let you know how that works.  I may just have to do lots of variety and see how that works for them.

    I do like the results of sojos, but I don't like all that grain- it's 2 parts grain to 1 part meat, and it just seems excessive to me, although they do love it and look otherwise ok.

     

    Thanks for listening to all of my rambling! I just want them to look and feel great :) which I think any fur-mom wants...

    Tiffani

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  • 06-08-2008 12:06 PM In reply to shamrockmommy

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    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    I'm wondering if it is the low moisture content in kibble that is causing the staining.  Maybe the water that is in fresh and canned foods is resulting in more dilute tears and thus less staining?  I dunno, just throwing that out there as a crazy idea!

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  • 06-08-2008 7:55 PM In reply to jenns

    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    Not a crazy idea at all, actually.

    When I do just kibble, typically I do splash a little water on it, but still have teh staining issue.

    I'm starting to lean toward the immune system theory- Lexi finished a 2wk course of antibiotics 3 days ago and her face was perfectly white. Now today I noticed some light orange tear stains starting.  Definitely food for thought!

    I had asked one vet a few years ago why small white dogs seem to have so many issues- allergies, hot spots, staining, etc.  He said "white dog in the south syndrome."  Ha! This was when I lived in TX but it could just be shortened to "white dog syndrome" since we're in the north now!

    Ugh.  The plight continues.

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  • 06-08-2008 8:31 PM In reply to shamrockmommy

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    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    I'm right there with on the immune system angle.  The only time I have ever had tear/beard staining was after a 10 day course of antibiotics.  We battled this for a few months before I broke down and used the Angel's Eye's supplement (vet gave the go ahead).  It contains Tylosin---prevents the "bad" bacteria from colonizing in the GI tract. At he time, I continued to give a probiotic/prebiotic supplement as well as salmon oil/vit E.  We saw marked improvement in about a week--no new tear staining--of course, any hair that was previously stained had to be grown out and eventually trimmed off.

    I do feed a raw diet---no grains, and very limited carbs.  Right now, and for the past 3 months, he has been eating no carbs at all and is doing better than ever (he is an IBD guy). I do continue to add probiotics, fish oil and vitamin E.

    Good Luck in your quest for the right food.

     

     

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  • 06-08-2008 9:42 PM In reply to tzu_mom

    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

     Jetta gets awful tear/beard stains on certain kibbles too. They usually are accompanied by itching, so I just assume they are food allergies. When I switch to a food that she doesn't itch on, the stains go away too. Its weird.

     I tried the Thrive food too, and while it did clear up any tear stains, the food tends to stick to the dog's beard. 

    Oh, and this has nothing to do with food, but if you clip/shave the hair directly under your bichon's eyes, then less moisture, bacteria, and yeast will be trapped there and it won't stain. Thats what I do with Jetta all the time. My groomer did that once and I was like, "hey, the tear stains are gone!" so from now on I always ask her to do that. 

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  • 06-08-2008 10:08 PM In reply to shamrockmommy

    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    shamrockmommy:

    It was NV Lamb formula.  And I'm wondering if it's not the montmorillite clay that stained Darby's beard so terribly... ??

    Honestly, the mont. clay would be way down on my list of suspects ... I'm a big fan of the stuff. :)
    It assists the digestive tract in getting rid of toxins so if anything I'd say it's helpful. 


    We have also tried Nat. Balance Potato/Duck and that also caused tear and beard staining.   I also generally feed the accompanying canned along with dry, 

    Looking at both the NV Prairie Lamb Meal & Oatmeal Medley (that's the formula you fed, isn't it?) and the NB Potato & Duck, I see that both (like many kibbles) contain flaxseed. Any chance that your two guys don't tolerate flaxseed well?

    The canned formulas tend to have a few different ingredients, compared to the kibble, so you're juggling a lot of ingredients, and trying to eliminate what's causing the trouble becomes more difficult. For example, many canned foods use as gelling agent some seaweed protein, usually carrageenan (derived from a red algae). It is not unheard of for an animal to be intolerant of the stuff ...


    Going to try the HK Thrive soon, as soon as it arrives :) And I'll let you know how that works.  I may just have to do lots of variety and see how that works for them.

    Either that - or, if you're trying to eliminate the cause of the tear staining, you could also try cutting down on the range of ingredients you feed ... for example: you could systematically eliminate all foods that contain flaxseed for a month. That would tell you whether flaxseed is the (or one) cause of tear staining. You could do the same with all canned foods that contain carrageenan or any other type of seaweed.

    The HK Thrive would be an ideal formula to do this with, because it actually does not contain flaxseed (unlike the other HK formulas). 

     


    I do like the results of sojos, but I don't like all that grain- it's 2 parts grain to 1 part meat, and it just seems excessive to me, although they do love it and look otherwise ok.

    The thing that puzzles me about Sojos : they recommend amounts and types of meat to feed with their grain mix ... but no organ meats! No liver - no heart - nothing! I find that extraordinary, to put it mildly. How on earth is the food going to be balanced for such minerals as copper and zinc, for example? And Vit B might be a bit short as well.


    Thanks for listening to all of my rambling! I just want them to look and feel great :) which I think any fur-mom wants...

     

    Absolutely - it's our mission in life! :) 

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  • 06-09-2008 7:51 AM In reply to FussyPoodles

    Re: Does anyone feed raw (or premix/dehydrated) for one meal and kibble for another?

    Jetta, I'm a groomer, so the girls' hairdos are always just so and I keep their eyes trimmed out every week.  I've definitely seen dogs whose owners let the hair grow for weeks and it's an irritated bloody mess once you trim the area, poor things.

    Fussy,  You may be onto something with the flaxseed, I've suspected it myself as well.  This morning, just to see, I gave Darby some Missing Link, which has flaxseed in it, and watching to see if she itches or chews her feet. 

     

    I also went and looked at the ingredients of PetGuard Lifespan kibble, which they used to eat and has little staining on, and it appears the dry does not have flax and neither does the canned.

    things that make you go hmmm... 

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