Forum Post

Myrika diagnosed w/HD

Last post 03-04-2008 4:37 PM by TAOofGoldyShep. 43 replies.
Page 3 of 3 (44 items) < Previous 1 2 3
Sort Posts: Previous Next
  • 03-01-2008 1:27 PM In reply to Maxs Mom

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    Gotcha...thanks!
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-01-2008 1:50 PM In reply to TAOofGoldyShep

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    Hugs to you TAO... As you know, Cara also has HD. This is a great thread!

    LSTM (Laughing Silently to Myself)

    Click Daily to Give Free Food and Care to Animals:
    http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=3
    Filed under:
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-01-2008 3:12 PM In reply to FourIsCompany

    • nfowler
    • Top 200 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-10-2007
    • Boise, Idaho
    • Posts 918
    • Points 115

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    I'm a little bit more radical than most owners of dogs with HD. Three months after Ellie was diagnosed I had her right hip replaced and I have no regrets. I didn't want to wait until she had deteriorated more--I've seen what that can do and I see how it can affect the outcome of a successful hip surgery.

    I also figured out the money I was shelling out to keep her going with HD and I figured, in the end, that I'd be paying less for a new hip than for acupuncture, massage, chiropractor, special supplements, etc.

    She now takes one supplement a day and that's it. There may come a time when I have to do more to support her other hip, but for now, she's doing swell and after her big expense, she hasn't cost me much beyond what a regular dog would.

    Saving just one dog won't change the world . . . but surely the world will change for that one dog (unknown)
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-01-2008 7:01 PM In reply to FourIsCompany

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    FourIsCompany:
    Hugs to you TAO... As you know, Cara also has HD.
    Thanks...hugs back. I don't think you've mentioned what you are doing with Cara for management, yet. How old was she when she was diagnosed?
    nfowler:
    I'm a little bit more radical than most owners of dogs with HD. Three months after Ellie was diagnosed I had her right hip replaced and I have no regrets. I didn't want to wait until she had deteriorated more--I've seen what that can do and I see how it can affect the outcome of a successful hip surgery.
    Would love to know how the post-surgery, rehab work went. How did she do? How did you do? I have heard that the rehab can be tough on them (although less tough for THR than FHO).

    Also, what breed of dog is she (curious about size, weight, temperament, energy level) and what age was she when diagnosed?

    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-01-2008 7:43 PM In reply to TAOofGoldyShep

    • nfowler
    • Top 200 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-10-2007
    • Boise, Idaho
    • Posts 918
    • Points 115

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    Ellie is a shelter dog--a terrier or poodle mixed with a Lab. She is medium-sized, only about 48 lbs. She was 2 when diagnosed and barely turned 3 when I put that hip in. There are two kinds of hip implants--one that is "pushed" into place and one that is screwed in. Both work well but because I was so flipping paranoid going in, I had my surgeon do the screwed in one.

    Recovery was long--4 months in a crate and 4 months of LOTS of walking. I haven't done any hydro for her nor have we done swimming.

    She is VERY energetic--but she became very withdrawn those 3 months before surgery, so that concerned me. She normally walks 2-3 miles a day and she goes to daycare, and she plays with her brother quite a bit, too.

    Her recovery was easy on her and hard on me, where I think FHO is hard on the dog but easier on the owner. Ellie walked on her leg immediately following surgery so she was like Ann's Teddi--thought she was well and fine. She only took 10 days of Rimadyl and that was that. She felt GOOD.

    I had done obedience with her, like Ann's Teddi, and having those commands saved us so much heartache. Ellie listened to them and carried them through. She really grew accustomed to her new schedule so it worked. I know worrying about how sad she'd be during recovery concerned a lot of folks (even those on the Yahoo board), but to be honest, it's like nothing ever happend to Ellie. She is back to her old self, only LOTS better. She can do so much with her hip. So much. I'm amazed and eternally grateful that I could afford to do this for her.

    I have her littermate whose issues far exceed Ellie's (which makes me think HD really is genetic, but that's for another post, perhaps). His have gone on longer and that's why I jumped on hers right away. He had one FHO and is scheduled to have another and honestly, I dread it. I really do. But, he's smaller than Ellie (about 42 lbs) and he's super determined and he needs to do it because he can't live with his hips being as deformed as they are.  He can't have a THR because the chances of it being successful are too low for me (75%). He lays weird with his legs, etc., so I know, already, that we're pushing it there. And he's borderline small for having a Kyon implant (screwed in). So, I'm getting him in shape for his FHO and he'll probably do hydro after.

    One thing--Ellie's THR side is bigger than her other one now. She uses that baby all the time and it shows--pretty darn muscular on that side.

    Saving just one dog won't change the world . . . but surely the world will change for that one dog (unknown)
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-01-2008 7:46 PM In reply to nfowler

    • nfowler
    • Top 200 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-10-2007
    • Boise, Idaho
    • Posts 918
    • Points 115

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    She's about 18 months post op. Forgot to say that. I basically crated her--I had one in the living room and one in my bedroom and I followed the crating thing to a tee. After a few weeks, I did let her sleep on a bed under the kitchen table. She was tied up to a table with a 4-ft leash and if she stood up or tried to walk, she was back in her crate. She figured out the rules of that game quickly and adjusted.

    I spent a lot of money on toys for her and on Kongs and puzzles, etc. I cut her food in half and she never gained weight.

    On her brother--I adoped El when she was 4 months old and found out that Murphy was homeless at 2 years. He had his FHO right before I adopted him, but his foster mom and I are friends so we were talking during all of this and his first week post-op was tough. I was expecting the same with Ellie but no. It's amazing how they walk on that leg right away--they can squat to pee and poop (scared me to watch and my heart was in my throat everytime during the first 6 weeks).

    Had I had Murphy as a puppy, I might have done the double FHO then since TPOs worry me some, but maybe I would have done a TPO on him, too. As it is, he has quite a few compensatory challenges now, but we're managing.

    Saving just one dog won't change the world . . . but surely the world will change for that one dog (unknown)
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-03-2008 12:53 PM In reply to nfowler

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    Thank you VERY much for taking the time to share your experience with the surgery and rehab in such detail...it's very helpful and gives me plenty of food for thought.  Thanks for explaining the crate schedule and rules, as well.  I can see where that would be a challenge for them mentally and physically - surgery, rehab, and crate rest...I am imagining this scenario with Myrika.  Hmm ...lol

    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-03-2008 9:36 PM In reply to TAOofGoldyShep

    • nfowler
    • Top 200 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-10-2007
    • Boise, Idaho
    • Posts 918
    • Points 115

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    Feel free to PM me anytime. I'm in my gearing-up mode now since my male dog needs FHO surgery and I'm getting my ducks in a row but for awhile after Ellie's surgery, I took a break from worrying too much about HD and all the issues associated with it. The road, for me, hasn't been super easy. I've never had a dog with issues before and I always thought mutts fared far better than purebreds but here I am, with mutts who have HD, and it's extreme in my boy's case. (I should attach his X-ray here.)

    I wrote some dramablogs about Ellie's surgery and recovery on the Yahoo board; thank goodness it's an invite-only site so the whole world didn't have to hear my many wah stories.

    One more thing I'd say about it, though, for now--I would look for the best darn surgeon you could find, should you go FHO or THR (esp THR since most vets learn FHO techniques in school). I interviewed 3 surgeons before I settled on one and when I talked to my surgeon, on the phone (he was 3 hours away and I bypassed two board-certified surgeons in town to see this out-of-town surgeon) I knew he was The One. He had done nearly 1000 hips and he'd done about 100 Kyon (screwed-in) implants and about 40 BFX ("pushed" in) implants and there has been more long-term studies conducted with Kyon than BFX, though BFX is catching up quickly. For awhile, the only implant you could buy was cemented in, now, though, we have the cementless BFX ones and we have the Kyon ones, though Kyon is not nearly as common and prevalent as BFX.

    Ellie's surgery was determined to be about 98% successful (Murphy's is about 70-80%), so, like I said, I went for it, but I wanted to make sure my money was being spent well by going with the best surgeon I could find (within reason). And he turned out to be about 30% cheaper than the local surgeons, too.

    Saving just one dog won't change the world . . . but surely the world will change for that one dog (unknown)
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-04-2008 7:29 AM In reply to nfowler

    • Maxs Mom
    • Top 100 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-26-2006
    • Livonia, MI
    • Posts 1,580
    • Points 100

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    I second Nancy's opinion about the best surgeon possible. Our home vet said he could do it but we didn't want him. I liked his honesty.

    Teddi's vet did not say a whole lot about "rehab" for her THR. We were the first 6 weeks with absolutely NO activity except potty walks with a sling. Then the second 6 weeks we were allowed to have her out of her crate when we were home, sling for stairs, leash for potty and start small walks SLOWLY increasing the distance. We are about 18 weeks post op now, Teddi is walking very well and we are walking good distances, we let her out in the back yard off leash BUT we watch her if she gets thinking zoomies we bring her right in. We let her out with Maxine but not Belle we don't need those two playing. We give her more and more liberties every day but we are watching closely for any signs of anything (nothing yet...phew). We did get her swimming, which we needed the surgeons ok for, however we did it for her to have SOMETHING to do not so much for rehab. Our surgeon explained to us there wasn't much need for "rehab" just slowly returning the dog to normal activity. I am watching the calendar for the magic 6 month mark (in April) we go back for another follow up.

    Now Teddi has had one "complication" the vet did not see as a problem, but wants to keep an eye on it. She has significant bone resorption on the inside portion of the prosthesis. You could markedly see it on her x-rays. He said this is not common, but did not see it as a problem because she has good adhesion. He thinks the cause of the resorption was the non use of the leg.

    I know I will always be protective of her as I am with Maxinne post bi lateral TPLO's. I know I will be able to let her run and play, I just don't think I will ever put her in a situation where she might get "rolled" by another dog. I am looking forward to getting her enrolled in classes again. The next session at our training facility starts the end of April, beginning of May...past that 6 month mark.

     

    Ann & Art
    Maxine CGC, UADNJIII, DDNJ-r (11 yr old Golden)
    Belle NJP, NAJ, OJP, CGC, UAGI, UADSJ, UADJJ (5 Black Lab)
    Teddi UADJJ, UJJ, CGC (1 1/2 yr old Golden)
    Pete 14 yr old TB
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-04-2008 7:37 AM In reply to Maxs Mom

    • Maxs Mom
    • Top 100 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-26-2006
    • Livonia, MI
    • Posts 1,580
    • Points 100

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    Oh just because Nancy talked about the Kyon prothesis, I wanted to mention mine.

    Teddi has the Biomedtrix (sp?) version. Hers too is cementless but hers is not screwed in. It is strictly held by her bones adhesion to the device. The surgeon drilled a hole in her bone smaller than the prosthesis (using his technical jargon) he stuffs it in the bone. The bone stretches around the device and in time attaches itself to the metal. He said it takes about 2 weeks for the adhesion to begin. I had my concerns about hold. He calmed me by telling me about one he had to remove. The failure was on the side of the owners, not the dog or the device, the owners did not keep the dog down when need be. Any way he said he almost could not remove it, and that was a failed procedure.

    I think it didn't hurt that Teddi had young viable bones to assist in her success.  

    I think both cementless options are good. It is what ever your comfort level is, and your surgeons. My understanding is the cemented ones run a higher risk of infection, and in time the cement can break down. If at all possible you would want to go cementless in my opinion.
     

    Ann & Art
    Maxine CGC, UADNJIII, DDNJ-r (11 yr old Golden)
    Belle NJP, NAJ, OJP, CGC, UAGI, UADSJ, UADJJ (5 Black Lab)
    Teddi UADJJ, UJJ, CGC (1 1/2 yr old Golden)
    Pete 14 yr old TB
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-04-2008 8:13 AM In reply to Maxs Mom

    • nfowler
    • Top 200 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-10-2007
    • Boise, Idaho
    • Posts 918
    • Points 115

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    Go Teddi! Yep, Ellie took about as long to recover AFTER the crating as she was in the crate. About four months. I am like you, Ann, always careful. It's easier and easier for me to forget, but I can't have her high jumping or being pulled and rolled by dogs, either. She does go to daycare here and there, but she plays with the least rough group (much to her own sadness). My surgeon actually has a daycare at his clinic and most of it is full of Labs who've had hips and knees fixed up.From what he told me, I need to let Ellie be a dog and not worry but how can you do that really? You know! Things are different now, but not so much that Ellie notices it. I do.

    And, lastly, true enough about cemented hips. It's hard to find a surgeon does them, but I also like that mine did both the pushed/stuffed-in kind and the screwed-in. Having options is always nice . . .although I heard that one of the surgeons down at Gulf in Texas does cemented still--esp on the smaller dogs.  

    In Ellie's case, if that bad boy has to to come out, I dread it. He bones have grown all around it. Amazing. It's as strong as if she were born with it. Teddi is probably close to getting there herself, too.

    Saving just one dog won't change the world . . . but surely the world will change for that one dog (unknown)
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-04-2008 10:27 AM In reply to nfowler

    • Maxs Mom
    • Top 100 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-26-2006
    • Livonia, MI
    • Posts 1,580
    • Points 100

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    I think the Teddster was there (strength) by the first follow up in 6 weeks LOL.  

    Lately I have been AMAZED at her energy, drive and strength, and I realize "this" is my Teddi without pain. I have a different dog to deal with. I can't wait to get her involved in activities. She is so wanting to do...anything. My hope is to get her involved in doggie modeling. I would like her in local commercials and ads. I am not partial you know but she is beautiful with a very expressive face and demeanor.  

    Ann & Art
    Maxine CGC, UADNJIII, DDNJ-r (11 yr old Golden)
    Belle NJP, NAJ, OJP, CGC, UAGI, UADSJ, UADJJ (5 Black Lab)
    Teddi UADJJ, UJJ, CGC (1 1/2 yr old Golden)
    Pete 14 yr old TB
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-04-2008 10:29 AM In reply to nfowler

    • Maxs Mom
    • Top 100 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-26-2006
    • Livonia, MI
    • Posts 1,580
    • Points 100

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    nfowler:

    From what he told me, I need to let Ellie be a dog and not worry but how can you do that really? You know! Things are different now, but not so much that Ellie notices it. I do.

     

    Not to mention the financial investment we made!  I can't afford something to go wrong.  

    Ann & Art
    Maxine CGC, UADNJIII, DDNJ-r (11 yr old Golden)
    Belle NJP, NAJ, OJP, CGC, UAGI, UADSJ, UADJJ (5 Black Lab)
    Teddi UADJJ, UJJ, CGC (1 1/2 yr old Golden)
    Pete 14 yr old TB
    • Post Points: 0
  • 03-04-2008 4:37 PM In reply to nfowler

    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    Much gratitude to you both! Thanks for the suggestions regarding surgeons, too. Our Vet clinic recommends bringing Myrika to Tufts in Boston when and if the time comes.

    nfowler:
    I wrote some dramablogs about Ellie's surgery and recovery on the Yahoo board; thank goodness it's an invite-only site so the whole world didn't have to hear my many wah stories.
    I joined a couple of days ago and now I'm going to search out your dramablogs and wah stories! Definitely attach Ellie's x-ray, if you want.
    • Post Points: 0
Page 3 of 3 (44 items) < Previous 1 2 3
 
 
Contact Us | Help | Rules & Conduct | Privacy Policy | Terms & Conditions | About Us
Copyright 2007, PetsUnited LLC