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Rat Poison

Last post 10-16-2007 1:40 AM by sandra_slayton. 15 replies.
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  • 10-10-2007 10:32 AM

    Rat Poison

    The last day of our vacation, as we were getting ready to pack up leave, our puppy, Rascal, was busy sniffing, playing, and exploring.  We were staying in beach house at Bodega Bay--our first vacation in years, and the dog ran under a dresser then came out munching.  I was paranoid by now after the smoked salmon incident (another thread), so I got down and checked out what was under the dresser. I saw what appeared to be---RAT PELLETS that were loosely tossed along the baseboard.  Another panic moment!  I checked the internet and read horror stories about dogs ingested rat poison and the owners never knew about it, but watched in horror as their beloved pet slowly died.  I read it was a slow process.  Of course it is Sunday and where do you go when you are 4 to 5 hours away from home?

    The next day I was at the vets picking up our other pets from the boarding facility, and told the vet what happened.  I learned that the most common rat poison is strychnine.  It attacks by stopping the blood from clotting.  Eventually, the dog bleeds to death internally.  Vitamin K stops the process.  So, Rascal got a vitamin K shot and a prescription for vitamin K pills.  Rascal did develop a cough that day which went away by the next day.  I read that blood leaks into the lungs.  Please watch out for this!

    Later that day, I was talking to a man who lost his golden lab a couple weeks earlier due to his dog getting a dead rat from the field next door.  The owner learned later that the rats were being poisoned.  He did not know the symptoms and his vet did not know the details of what made the dog sick until it was too late.  He could hardly tell me the story.  Please beware.

    I added a link to the article I read on vacation that helped me.

    http://www.dogworks.org/poison.htm 

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  • 10-10-2007 10:51 AM In reply to Rascal007

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    Wow,that's scary,hope your furryone is better soon. My husband keeps mouse poison in the garage and the dogs go in and out of there all the time.Fortunately, they haven't touched the stuff.

    They ask so little and give so much!

    ~Gloria~

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  • 10-10-2007 12:05 PM In reply to maizysmom

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    Re: Rat Poison

     I talked to someone from vector control yesterday morning actually (we've had rats in our yard) and he said that the typical "rat poisons" are not, I think he called them, "secondary poisons." That means if your dog ingests the poison it will get sick, but if it ingests a rat that has been poisoned the dog will not get sick.

    There are several more or less "dog proof" ways to set out poisons, like a canister with very small openings, so if you're considering poisoning rats around dogs do look into various disbursement methods! 

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  • 10-10-2007 12:25 PM In reply to Rascal007

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    That's scary! Did you complain to the beach house owners? You think they would have mentioned it if they knew you had a dog along.

    I hope Rascal is ok. 


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  • 10-10-2007 4:34 PM In reply to janobonano

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     When our Sheila was about eight months old she ate a 2x4 inch block of rat poison. Luckily my dad went out into the garage just in time to see her swallow it. He dragged her into the living room and fed her hydrogen peroxide. Neon green dog spew all over the carpet. Sheila was fine though, and after that my dad started storing all the poisons on the highest shelf.
     


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  • 10-10-2007 8:51 PM In reply to Rascal007

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    Our Rascal was fine!  He never even slowed down.  It might not have been rat poison, it just looked like it and I sure wasn't going to take any chances.  The vitamin K worked great and the vet said it wouldn't hurt Rascal to administer it just to be safe.   I just thought I should share the story, because this had the potential of being very serious.  Having a puppy is like raising a toddler. 

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  • 10-11-2007 9:58 PM In reply to Rascal007

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    Rascal007:
    I learned that the most common rat poison is strychnine. 

    Strychnine

    PetEducation.com:
    Immediate Action
    Induce vomiting if alert and not seizuring. Seek veterinary attention.

    Veterinary Care
    General treatment: The induction of vomiting may be continued, gastric lavage is performed, and activated charcoal is administered.

    Absolute minimum doggie first aid kit:

         Syrup of Ipecac (induces vomiting)  -or-
                   hydrogen peroxide (3% solution) - 2 tsp per 30 lbs every 15 min 
         Benadryl (anti-histamine) - 1-2 mg/lb of body weight 2-4 times daily [Yes, that dosage is right.]
         Kwik Stop (styptic powder) - stop nails from bleeding

    Benadryl tablets or liquid are OK, but do not use the "sugar free" version (contains an artifical sweetner).

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  • 10-11-2007 10:57 PM In reply to Rascal007

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    Heh, One of the reasons I am not fond of hotels.  Last time I stayed in a hotel there was a rat trap (sticky paper) in my bed adhered to the bedsheets.  We took the sheet to the front desk and asked them what it was and the person said, "It appears to be a rat trap..."  Of course then we asked if it was common practice to leave them in their guests beds.Hmm

     Ironicly this all occured two months ago when we were going up to pick Kirby up from the breeders.Stick out tongue

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  • 10-12-2007 5:54 AM In reply to Krissim Klaw

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    AH! thanks so much. i was actually gonna post and ask. they are putting up rat poison everywhere in my apartment complex. at least they put little flags up, cause if they had only posted a notice (in chinese) i would have never known. excercising the dogs has yet become even harder! ERGH!!! time to make the "leave it" command fool proof!

    Janet
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  • 10-12-2007 6:51 AM In reply to maizysmom

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    Re: Rat Poison

    I work at a vet clinic and we just had a case of a dog eating the rats that were poisoned and within a short time she had lost so much blood my Greyhound "Isabelle" was called in to duty as a blood donor! After a few hours from recieving the transfusion the patient was looking so much better! She is on her way to being discharged and hopefully she won't eat any more rats for dinner!

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  • 10-12-2007 9:59 AM In reply to Rascal007

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     Thanks for all good input.  I hope it helps save some dogs from disaster.

    I read something about giving hydrogen peroxide to induce vomiting.  Does anyone have information on this?  Is this true?  If so, then how do you give it to your dog?  I did try to force our puppy to vomit, but I was unsuccessful.  The finger down the throat apparently doesn't work same for dogs.

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  • 10-12-2007 11:58 AM In reply to Rascal007

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    warfarin is the poison that makes the rat (dog) bleed out; strychnine causes violent muscle contractions.

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  • 10-14-2007 11:59 PM In reply to mudpuppy

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     Thanks!  I guess the antidote for warfarin is vitamin K.

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  • 10-15-2007 2:50 AM In reply to Rascal007

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    Our golden retriever mix, Honey, ate a block of d-con that was accidently knocked (un beknownst to us) from our attic when were we getting down some toys for the grandkids.  Due to having dogs, a cat and grandkids, that was the only place we put poison.  She was in the garage about 15 minutes,and then she puked the green stuff and i knew what it was.  Got her right to the vet (only a mile away) and he gave her vitamin K shot and something to make her throw up again.  she remained on Vitamin K for 50 days i think it was--longer than usual, but he had a lost a dog to the poison that had only been on the K the recommened number of days, so extened it by 15 or 20 to be sure.  Three days after her last pill her blood was tested for clotting factor and it wa fine.

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  • 10-16-2007 12:10 AM In reply to sandra_slayton

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     I am glad your dog is okay.  What is the main ingredient in D-con?  I have some of that around.  I don't dare use any after our experience and the experience of others.

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