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Written critiques from judges

Last post 09-13-2007 5:43 PM by iiartisanii. 5 replies.
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  • 09-13-2007 3:44 PM

    Written critiques from judges

    These are commonplace in other places..but AKC doesn't do them. There's currently a bit of a flap now on a Beagle list re: The Nats judge not choosing to do them for the breed mag. I am not sure...I can see both sides. It's not going to make people happy if you critique them in every case. One can't JUST say nice things about everyone.

    Some feel this judge is being reticent because he doesn't know enough about the breed. But IMO it could just be that he doesn't want to spend the extra time or jot notes etc?

    Thoughts? Do they do critiques at your Nats?

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  • 09-13-2007 3:55 PM In reply to rwbeagles

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    Re: Written critiques from judges

     I really wish they DID do these and publish them    - I realize it wouldn't work for every show (it'd slow things down a lot and costs are high enough as is) but I wish they'd do it for the BOB judging, group judging, and BIS at all-breed shows and all classes at specialties. (In fact, I think it should be mandatory at specialties). Not only would it be a valuable tool for breeder who would get (odbjective) input about their dog's strengths and weaknesses win or lose, it'd decrease nepotism (or the appearance of nepotism) from judges putting up pro handlers constantly as you could find out what they liked and didn't about individual dogs. It'd help newbies develop an eye for the breed, too. I know, theoretically, you can ask what the judge liked or didn't liked when the breed is over, but in reality, they've never got time for it.

     

    It'll never happen in AKC, but maybe UKC....

     

    With my new puppy, we'll be doing some IABCA shows where they do offer critiques, and I'm actually thinking about showing Indy in vetarens, at least for a critique or two.      

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  • 09-13-2007 5:00 PM In reply to Pwca

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    Re: Written critiques from judges

    It is the expectation of the belgian community that all judges of the national events write commentary.  They vary of course.  Most judges of conformation specifically point out what is improved in their opinions and what needs to improve.  These commentaries are included in the national specialty issues of the breed club magazine.  The UKC club publishes many critiques.

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  • 09-13-2007 5:09 PM In reply to mrv

    Re: Written critiques from judges

    Critiques from the national specialties are (always?) in our breed mag.  Usually the judge just singles out the BOB, BOS, WB, WD and sometimes does over all comments.  Like "in general the basenjis I saw had good movement but is loosing the level topline", etc.

     

    I'd love a critique about my new puppy from a breeder-judge, but all-breed judges would mean less.  Still would be interesting.

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  • 09-13-2007 5:12 PM In reply to agilebasenji

    Re: Written critiques from judges

    Our previous mag articles included a critique on EVERY SINGLE ENTRY...which was well..amazing and probably a lot of work. We havea ton of entries lol.

    I can understand not wanting to do that but at least an overall impression would be really helpful I think.

     

     

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  • 09-13-2007 5:43 PM In reply to rwbeagles

    Re: Written critiques from judges

     Our national specialty (and sometimes regionals) offer written critiques that are published in our breed club magazine. There isn't a critique for every single dog (as our national usually garners over 300 entries) but the critiques published offer positive and negatives on each dog placed.

     I used to judge 4H juniors and had to write a critique for EVERY SINGLE child. One year I judged about 80 kids, so the judging took forever as I had to take notes after going over every individual. If I waited til the class was over, I would have forgotten who did what. I think judging 80 kids took nearly 5 hours with all the writing and notes and critiquing, which is time well wasted in my opinion.

     Your average junior judge (akc or 4H) will probably be able to offer some criticism after the class is judged if the kid really wants to know. So if the info is available, why write it down?

     In the individual breeds at some shows the entry is so large that if the judge had to take notes and write critiques, judging would go way past midnight. Plus I think AKC prides itself on the timely judging. You get your program in the mail and you can pretty much figure out the exact moment you'll be walking into the ring. If the judge got bogged down with writing, people who show multiple dogs would be stuck in rings or stuck ringside waiting for the judge and be late for their other judgings. I don't think that is very fair. There are enough AKC shows and judges to where if you don't place under one judge, you know not to show to him/her again. A piece of paper with the judges evaluation of how much he hated your dog is a bit superfluous to that fact.

     The shows that offer written critiques usually have teeny tiny entries. . like the international shows in CA usually only attract about 100 people. . .the size of a match. If you want the critique, you can enter these shows. I don't think the AKC has much use for critiquing.


     

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