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EKG & Bloodwork?

Last post 07-06-2007 10:17 PM by ottoluv. 8 replies.
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  • 07-06-2007 5:04 AM

    EKG & Bloodwork?

    I made an appt to have Heartly neutered and the receptionist explained the cost to me. It is extra to have an EKG and some pre surgery bloodwork. She said it is'nt necessary, but they recommend it. It is $60. more,  for a total of 274.00. Any input or recommendations?
    Heartly

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  • 07-06-2007 9:39 AM In reply to waterfaller1

    RE: EKG & Bloodwork?

    I always do it.  I know that most times nothing shows up, but I'd never forgive myself if I elected not to do it and my dog had a problem.  I just view it as a little added insurance.
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  • 07-06-2007 9:46 AM In reply to waterfaller1

    RE: EKG & Bloodwork?

    I just had Neiko neutered and was really annoyed when I went to pay the bill. When I called to schedule the appt. I must have misunderstood the woman. I thought she said $85 which includes blood work and pain meds. I guess she must have said "does not include blood work and pain meds".  Either way, I had it done and paid an extra $50 for it. Although I was annoyed by her miscommunication or my misunderstanding I was still relieved to know that he is a healthy dog. I asked for a copy of his blood work for my records and the vet explained all of the numbers to me. It's always good to have a bit of extra knowledge imo.
     
    So, most likely your dog is fine. Getting the blood work done will be for your own peace of mind. You have to decide if it's worth the extra money or not.
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  • 07-06-2007 11:20 AM In reply to waterfaller1

    RE: EKG & Bloodwork?

    Yes I agree, and do think he is worth it. I just thought it was odd that this was left as an option. I would think everyone would want to be safe and sure, whatever the cost. This price does seem a bit high to me, although it's been many years since I had my last dog, and this vet has a much bigger practice. She said something like the bloodwork was to insure his organs were ready for this? I guess I'll have them elaborate when I get there. I am just glad  I was able to talk my fiance' into this, he was against it until I fully explained why it is needed... several times. Guys..[8|][:D]
    Heartly

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  • 07-06-2007 11:27 AM In reply to waterfaller1

    RE: EKG & Bloodwork?

    waterfaller1:
    It is extra to have an EKG and some pre surgery bloodwork.

    Even for pups this is a very good idea - particularly if these tests have never been done before.  If there is a problem with the heart, kidney, or liver, the dog might not make it through the survery.  Some conditions make surgery dangerous or unusual precautions might be required.  Also the test results give a baseline to which to compare any future tests.  Get copies of all results!!!
     
    For a neuter I would want
    (1) pre-surgery blood work, clotting panel, and EKG
    (2) inhalent anesthesia (safer, but more expensive)

    (3) a heart monitor during surgery
    (4) a sterile instrument pack
    (5) use of the "open technique" -  the vas deferens, cremaster muscle, and pampiniform plexus each ligated separately
    (6) buried subcuticular suture pattern (no external stitches to irritate the animal) with layers of sutures

    I consider (1)-(5) to be absolutely necessary.  (6) is optional but very desirable.  I would ask the vet not to use the pain killer Rimadyl (Carprofen).   I consider it a drug of last resort.  This site describes some of the problems that dogs have had with Rimadyl:
    http://www.srdogs.com/Pages/rimadylfr.html
     
     
    If you want to see pictures of the procedure, look below.  Don't click if you are a squeamish. ;)
    http://www.dr-dan.com/newpage2.htm

    Questions to ask:
    Does the neuter cost include the pre-surgery blood work or post-operative pain meds?  What post-operative care is included?  How much surgery experience does the vet have?  If an overnight stay is recommended, does the clinic have staff on duty overnight?  What is the rate of complications?  What is the mortality rate?
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  • 07-06-2007 11:44 AM In reply to waterfaller1

    RE: EKG & Bloodwork?

    The vet will probably recommend an Elizabethan collar to keep Heartly from bothering the incision. 
     
    There are several more comfortable alternatives to the standard Elizabethan-style collar:
    http://www.dog.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=220104+003   (Bite Not Collar)
    http://www.revivalanimal.com/store/p/949-EJay-Bite-Free-Collar.aspx  (EJay Bite Free Collar
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    http://www.bonafido.com/page6.html   (Soft-E-Collar)
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  • 07-06-2007 12:09 PM In reply to waterfaller1

    RE: EKG & Bloodwork?

    waterfaller1:
    I would think everyone would want to be safe and sure, whatever the cost.

    Unfortunately, some people just don't have the money to be safe, so the vet gives them a choice.  

    waterfaller1:
    I am just glad I was able to talk my fiance' into this, he was against it until I fully explained why it is needed... several times. Guys..

    Some guys identify too much with their dog's male organs.  ;)   I have a male friend that fainted at a baby's Bris (Jewish ritual circumcision ceremony).
     
    I was largely against human male circumcision until recently when I learned that it decreased the chances of getting AIDS by 50%!!
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  • 07-06-2007 3:10 PM In reply to waterfaller1

    RE: EKG & Bloodwork?

    I was largely against human male circumcision until recently when I learned that it decreased the chances of getting AIDS by 50%!!


    Oh do elaborate.....  I know that it helps with cleanliness and such, but decrease the chances of contracting AIDS?  Do you have sources?
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  • 07-06-2007 10:17 PM In reply to waterfaller1

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    RE: EKG & Bloodwork?

    I actually have quit a different opinion here then most. There is no evidence that routine blood work/EKG will prevent anesthetic complications in a young age population. The incidence of significant cardiac/metabolic problems that would have been picked up by these two is very small. Most young dogs with significant pathology of this type will have obvious abnormalities on physical exam. In addition, anesthetic deaths in young animals/people is due to idiosyncratic reactions that cannot be tested for or known in advance. I think it is a waste of time and money as well as torture (blood draw) that isn't needed. I think you all know me fairly well by now and know I would never take medical risk with otto. I refused the pre-procedure labs and EKG, but insisted on a physical :) I also think that subcuticular closure is probably not required in this setting. The cosmetic result is slightly better, but I can't see why that would matter too much when you are covered with hair ;) In addition, the subcuticular suture (susually monocryl) actually causes a local inflammatory reaction which is quite itchy compared to the inert sutures such as nylon or prolene. I think subcuticular closure would be fine, don't get me wrong, but it is by no means "better". In addition, there is no need to request inhaled anesthetics, are just as effective and both have simmilar safety profiles.

    In surgery, there are many, many ways to skin a cat so to speak. You will be wise going with what your surgeon is most comfortable with and not trying to make them do things differently for no good reason. If they like interrupted prolene sutures and propofol instead of SQ monocryl and inhaled anesthetics, go with what he/she is most familiar with.

    For example with people, we don't do routine labs/EKG until people hit about 50


    PS: the evidence that circumcision reduces HIV/AIDS risk is weak. Further study is required to substantiate the initial observations in africa in regards to this. There has been some evidence that penile cancers are less common in circumcised males, but that has recently been disputed.


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