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Old Pregnant Dog

Last post 07-22-2007 9:13 AM by Jen D. 13 replies.
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  • 07-20-2007 5:21 AM

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    Old Pregnant Dog

    I think my older dachsund (8 1/2) might be pregnant, we just got a puppy jack russell, 9 months old, and my dachsund went in heat this morning.  I seperated them but after taking them out to go to the bathroom, there was about 2 minutes where I wasn't watching them and sure enough... they connected.
     
    Here are my worries:
     
    1. She's older, but she is very healthy, full of energy still and has regular in heats... pretty much on the dot every 6 months, so pretty good chances she will be ok? Or should I take her for a c-section? Other options?
     
    2. We have to fly to America from Europe in 5 weeks, we are moving there (army base to army base).  Is it ok for her to make the flight pregnant or should I fly back this week before the puppies start growing too much?  The latter option would be very difficult for my wife and i, we would be spending a lot more money and my wife would have to handle all of the moving events on her own.  I would have to find temporary living in the states as well.
     
    I love my dachsund and I'll do whatever is best for her, but I need true, honest, backed-up opinions if possible from the folks on this forum.
     
    Thanks
     
    Chris
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  • 07-20-2007 5:33 AM In reply to seefresh

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    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    I'm not nearly as knowledgable as most memebers on the topic of breeding, but you should definetly have her checked out.
     
    Did you plan on breeding them together?
     
    may want to check out some sites and books as well
    [linkhttp://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_care_of_the_pregnant_dog.html]http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_care_of_the_pregnant_dog.html[/link]
     
    [linkhttp://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dpregnancy.html]http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dpregnancy.html[/link]
     
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  • 07-20-2007 5:43 AM In reply to seefresh

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    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    If I were in your shoes, I'd get my girl in for an emergency spay to abort the pups and prevent any future accidents.  That's a really late age for a maiden litter.  It's likely that a pregnancy at her age will trigger all sorts of back issues and other health problems.   Also, keep in mind that her EGGS are as old as she is and old "stale" eggs often can't produce healthy pups.  This just isn't a pregnancy I'd let proceed.  I know it will seem like I'm taking a really hard line on this, but trust me, as many years as I've spent in the dog world, I've seen a lot of stuff I wish I hadn't seen, including older bitches trying to whelp a first, deformed litter.
     
    To all idoggers, please note that this poster is not IN the United States, but rather overseas where spay/nueter is not as big of an issue, nor is over population.  Let's please respond accordingly.
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  • 07-20-2007 5:49 AM In reply to seefresh

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    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    OK, I willl look into the emergency spay.... I remember a German vet telling me he couldn't spay her last time she was in heat and I didn't get back after that heat went away (I know, I was irresponsible).  But you are saying it can be done?

    Also this would be her 4th litter, she has had puppies quite a few times and only 3 puppies have died out of all 4 litters.
     
    And no, we were not planning on her breeding.  We also have a female jack russell that we will be breeding but not for 6 months or more.
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  • 07-20-2007 5:57 AM In reply to seefresh

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    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    It is done here.  There is an increased risk to the dog because the uterus is engorged with blood and of course there is the increased risk of excessive bleeding.  The ideal time to spay is halfway between heat cycles when the uterus is the smallest.
     
    But, I think you need to weigh the risk of a whelp at her age against the slightly higher spay risks.  I would find a really outstanding vet, perhaps at one of the Universitys that has a vet program, to do the surgery.
     
    There is always a chance that she is not pregnant, but gosh, with a dog this old, I'd not want to run the risk.
     
    We have some folks who are still breeding and hopefully they'll see this thread.  I think there may be early detection tests now and they could advise you better on that.
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  • 07-20-2007 6:06 AM In reply to seefresh

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    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    Early detection test would be best, I'm trying to get in touch with an army vet, I really don't want to go there because I have not had great experience with them.  Anyone know any good vets in Germany?
     
     
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  • 07-20-2007 7:29 AM In reply to seefresh

    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    Poor girl. Glenmar's right. A pregnacy now will be rough on her.
     
    Also, what are the quarentine rules for bringing a dog in the US? I admit that I know nothing about this but you might want to check it out just to be sure.
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  • 07-20-2007 7:32 AM In reply to seefresh

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    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    I've brought a dog back to the states before and it was no problem, in fact they didn't even look at the health papers I got for her.  It was surprisingly lax.  But bringing a dog into europe was hard and expensive.  wierd, eh?
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  • 07-20-2007 8:43 AM In reply to seefresh

    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    That's crazy. It'll probably take some disaster to change the policy unfortunately.
     
     
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  • 07-20-2007 10:01 AM In reply to seefresh

    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    All they  worry about is Rabies and we already HAVE that here, lol....so there's the difference.
     
    I agree...get her a mismate shot or spay her. Mismate shot will EXTEND her season tho so that's more time you will need to be vigilant. Given the older female dogs propensity to develop pyometra, I'd personally favor the spay.
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  • 07-21-2007 7:36 PM In reply to seefresh

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    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    if it is too late for the shot then let her have them.. i have seen dogs as old as 13 have normal litters
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  • 07-22-2007 12:02 AM In reply to seefresh

    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    Mismating and Pregnancy Termination (last article)
    http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/breeding/lostpregnancy.htm 
     
    Two things known to sometimes cause a spontaneous abort:
    Dexamethasone - anti-inflammatory
    MLV (modified live) vaccines
     
    The mismate shot is evidently out of favor due to the increased risk of pyometra.  Prostaglandin F2alpha can be used if a pregnancy is confirmed 30 days after mating.  Treatment takes 4 days and that puts you very close to leaving
     
    I know that bitches are routinely flown to a stud and back, but I don't know anything about flying a dog that is 5 weeks pregnant.  The normal gestation is 63 days, so you have some leeway.
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  • 07-22-2007 12:12 AM In reply to seefresh

    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    Here are some suggestions on how to get a very safe spay. Most of it also applies to a neuter.
    http://forum.dog.com/asp/m.asp?m=302576 
     
    If you choose to spay, I really encourage you to have an ultrasound done 1 to 2 hours after the surgery to check for bleeding.
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  • 07-22-2007 9:13 AM In reply to seefresh

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    RE: Old Pregnant Dog

    I agreee with glenmar and I also would get the male JRT nutered if I were not planning on breeding even just for long term health issues.
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