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New Puppy

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  • 08-11-2007 4:09 PM

    • jenn52
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    New Puppy

    Hi Everyone.  I just got a new Beagle puppy on Tuesday 8/7, her name is Rory.  She is 9 weeks old today.  She's my first puppy and I am new to all of this.  I have a few health related questions (I'll try to post my training questions on the other forum).  I've been reading a lot about the vaccination debate, I myself try to stick to a holistic/natural approach to healthcare and want to keep Rory as healthy as possible.  She received her first set of shots from the family I got her from which included DHLP, Parvo, Corona and Bordatella.  And she was dewormed.  She got this set 2 weeks ago.  I called a vet I am thinking of using and they recommend 3-4 weeks between shots.  Any recommendations on whether to wait the 3 or full 4?  Does it matter?  Are there any vaccines I should avoid?  Is it okay to give her the puppy rounds of vaccines and then just not do the yearly vaccines?  I have no idea what germs are common around here (we're in Southern Cali).  I am not taking her outside for anything yet, which is sooo hard with housebreaking.  We live in an apartment with a balcony and since other dogs use the grass downstairs, I figured I should wait.  We're trying to get her to go on a pee pad on the balcony.  Is this appropriate to wait to take her down?  Should we wait the full 3 weeks after the 3rd vaccine to take her down?  Is this going to affect her socialization because she's never been on a walk? (ok kind of a training question, but related to health.  [:)])
     
    Also, she does a lot of little pees.  Very few large size pees that I would expect.  She also licks her "privates" fairly often, not sure if this is just because she is young, smaller bladder and she is cleaning or if she has an infection.  She doesn't act like anything is wrong.  Not sure if the small pee thing is also from when we see she starting to go inside, she just got a dribble out and then I think she's still nervous when we take her out, so she doesn't pee much.  Any thoughts on this?  She doesn't seem to mind peeing in her crate, but I'll ask about that on the training board as well. 
     
    Also, I am interested in feeding her real food and not just corn/carb kibble.  I am currently still feeding her what her original family had been giving her, the Science Diet Small Bites for Puppy.  Should I wait until she's older to switch what she's eating?   Are there any dry pet foods that are decent if the real food doesn't work out? 
     
    Anyway, I guess that's it for now.
     
    Thanks in advance!
     
    Jennifer

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  • 08-11-2007 8:27 PM In reply to jenn52

    RE: New Puppy

    Hi and what a very cute puppy you have.  My oldest son has a beagle, too who's been over here constantly from the time he was about 9 weeks old - first annoying, but now playing with my greyhounds!!
     
    As far as shots go, I lost a dog to auto immune disease caused by his booster shots.  Since that happened, I started doing research, stopped automatically trusting vets and I now have a terrific vet, a holistic vet, who believes exactly what my research led me to believe.  She says a puppy needs their series of puppy shots, a booster shot a year later, then they only get boosters every 3 years.  The rabies shot is now a 3-year shot as well.  That's what I've been doing for my greyhounds.  The only down side is you can't take your dog to a boarding kennel if they don't have yearly shots, but my dogs don't go to boarding kennels, so it's not an issue for me.
     
    As for exercise, I'd say after she's had her 2nd set of shots, you can take her out for walks but keep her away from other dogs and places where a lot of dogs go.  But you should ask your vet's opinion on this one.
     
    Food - if you check the ingredients and go to [linkhttp://www.dogfoodanalysis.com]www.dogfoodanalysis.com[/link] you'll see that Science Diet is rated very low.  You might look into switching your puppy to one of the better quality foods - Canidae, Innova, Solid Gold, Wellness, eg.
     
    Hope that's of some help to you for now.  Peeing in the crate is something you want to discourage right from the beginning.  Her crate should be only large enough for her to turn around in while you're training her so she can't pee in it without having to lay in it - most dogs don't like that.
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  • 08-12-2007 2:48 PM In reply to jenn52

    RE: New Puppy

    jenn52, welcome to i-dog!  [sm=welcome2.gif]

    jenn52:
    I just got a new Beagle puppy on Tuesday 8/7, her name is Rory.  

    Your pup is precious! 
     
    Rory got a vaccine that is bigger than I would ever give a pup.  Her immune system was challenged with an awful lot of diseases at one time.  She was also vaccinated two weeks earlier than I would have done.  My suggested way of doing vaccines:
    http://forum.dog.com/asp/m.asp?m=326568
     
     
    I would vaccinate Rory at 10-14-18 weeks.  The value of the 7-week shot is very questionable.  The only shot that works is the first one after the immunity from the mother wears off.
     
    Intervet Progard-KC Plus is a nasal vaccine (no needles) that would give you Adenovirus-Parainfluenza-Bordetella.  I would give that no sooner than 5 months old and 30 days after the Rabies shot.  By that time you only need to give one vaccine for a disease instead of multiple vaccines.  Personally I would give the Rabies at 6 months (yeh, I know the legal requirements) and KC-Plus at 8 months.
     
    Waiting for Adenovirus shouldn't be a problem unless you get around wild animals.  The risk of Parainfluenza-Bordetella is minimal unless you board or get around sick dogs before the vaccine. 

    jenn52:
    Is it okay to give her the puppy rounds of vaccines and then just not do the yearly vaccines? 

    Some people just give the Parvo-Distemper puppy and 1-yr vaccines, plus the legally required rabies.  Parainfluenza-Bordetella are sometimes required for boarding.  Bordetella immunity doesn't last very long - shot 1yr, nasal 6mo.
     
    Note:  Some localities are behind the times and require rabies once a year instead of once every three years. 

    jenn52:
    We're trying to get her to go on a pee pad on the balcony.  Is this appropriate to wait to take her down?  Should we wait the full 3 weeks after the 3rd vaccine to take her down. 

    I would wait before
    (1)  letting her around strange dogs whose health you don't know,
    (2)  allowing a lot of people in your home (Parvo on the shoes), and
    (2)  putting her down on ground that could have had a Parvo dog on it in the last two years.  Concrete is fairly safe.
     
    I would not wait before
    (1)  finding a friend with a friendly, healthy dog and a yard that hasn't had Parvo in the last two years,
    (2)  getting her into puppy classes,
    (3)  putting her in a sherpa bag or a stroller and exposing her to the world,  and
    (4)  letting people pet her if they have washed their hands.
     
    Socialization - primary socialization window closes at 12 weeks (secondary at 16 weeks):

    http://forum.dog.com/asp/m.asp?m=296270 

    jenn52:
    Also, she does a lot of little pees.  Very few large size pees that I would expect.  She also licks her "privates" fairly often, not sure if this is just because she is young, smaller bladder and she is cleaning or if she has an infection. 

    Sounds normal to me.  She still has a tiny, little bladder.  There are grass-scented puppy pads that you can use to transition to peeing on grass areas.
    http://petguys.com/-018065052300.html
     

    jenn52:
    She doesn't seem to mind peeing in her crate

    My suggested way of house training:
    http://forum.dog.com/discus/messages/48/117345.html#POST400222 

    jenn52:
    Also, I am interested in feeding her real food and not just corn/carb kibble. 

    I would switch her to Innova right away.  Do it slowly over at least a week.  For instance, 1/4 Innova for a couple of days, then 1/2 Innova for a couple of days, etc.  Alternatively you could use one of the grain-free foods that are rated OK for puppies:
    http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=grain_free 
     
    Here are some links and books on raw feeding.  The meat in any receipe can be cooked if you like, of course, but it is better raw.
    http://forum.dog.com/asp/m.asp?m=305654 
     
    Do a lot of reading and wait until Rory is at least 18 months before you make your own recipes!  It is dangerous for a novice to experiment on a puppy.

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  • 08-12-2007 3:13 PM In reply to jenn52

    RE: New Puppy

    Threads with lots of info (and links to more) for first time puppy owners:
    http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=360822

    http://forum.dog.com/asp/m.asp?m=412061
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