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Need your help... (Krissim)

Last post 07-05-2008 1:37 PM by Krissim Klaw. 6 replies.
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  • 07-03-2008 1:35 PM

    Need your help... (Krissim)

    I know I don't start threads often, but I've come here needing some help to try and persuade my Aunt to not irresponsibly breed her Chihuahua.  I’ve tried talking to her a few times about it, but I know the best chance I have will be to show her outside sources via email.

     

    For a little background info, her Chihuahua Luigi was a pet store Christmas present given to her and my uncle from their children.  Considering how that could have gone, I’m happy to report that my Aunt has stepped up to the plate when it comes to general dog care.  Not sure he’ll ever be fully potty trained since they use pee pads and Luigi thinks all soft materials=pee pad, but overall their care is pretty good.

     

    That being stated however they decided they want to get a friend for Luigi and have come to the conclusion that breeding him is the best way to go about it.  First off, he isn’t even a year yet, and they plan to breed him when he is only about a year (when the female they chose goes into heat).  When I asked about genetic testing, which she hasn’t done nor heard of, she admitted that they already know he has elbow problems.

     

    As if that weren’t enough, they just sent me the info on who the female want to breed him to. (along with asking me if I would be interested in one of the future puppies -__-)  It is a female Chihuahua, no papers, who will be just a little over a year when they breed her to Luigi, and who has already, yes I sad already, had one litter with a poodle…  As you can imagine I wanted to pull my hair out at the information of that poor female being forced to give birth when she is still just a pup herself and then being expected to do it so soon again.

     

    Anyways, I know this isn’t the first time this issue has come up in the guild.  I also know that a lot of you guys have some great links and info stored away to combat such issues.  What I would love is for those who have any links to good sites stating why not to backyard breed, what you need to do if you want to breed (as far as genetic testing, proper ages of dogs, thinking about genetics and such), all the homeless dogs, basically any info from good sources that I can show her that might give her pause to reconsider.  I would also appreciative any links of good Chihuahua breed specific rescues so I can point her in the direction of other possible places to get a great friend for Luigi.

     

    In addition to that everyone feel free to suggest different points I can bring up on the negatives and such for the email I plan to write up. 

     

    Thanks in advance for any suggestions and links. ^.^

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  • 07-03-2008 2:06 PM In reply to Krissim Klaw

    Re: Need your help... (Krissim)

    I don't know many points of not to (although I do think she shouldn't!)

    But maybe show her petfinder and how many dogs are needing homes, and why would she want to add to that?  And how many dogs are euthanized because they don't find homes

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  • 07-03-2008 5:42 PM In reply to Krissim Klaw

    Re: Need your help... (Krissim)

    Krissim Klaw:
    I know I don't start threads often, but I've come here needing some help to try and persuade my Aunt to not irresponsibly breed her Chihuahua. 

    Here is a post with lots of the kind of links you are looking for:  http://community.dog.com/forums/t/79298.aspx

    This site lists genetic problems found in Chihuahuas:  http://www.upei.ca/~cidd/breeds/chihuahua2.htm

    The most frequent genetic problem for them is a luxating patella (slipping kneecap).  Get your aunt to price the surgery to correct that!!  Remind her that each dog has two kneecaps and may need two surgeries.

    X-rays to certify that a dog has no knee or elbow problems can't be done until a dog is 2-yrs-old.  That is when skeletal growth is complete.  No female should be bred before she is finished growing!!

    It would be criminal to breed puppies with elbow problems and knee problems. 

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  • 07-03-2008 6:33 PM In reply to Krissim Klaw

    Re: Need your help... (Krissim)

     

    Krissim Klaw -I know I don't start threads often, but I've come here needing some help to try and persuade my Aunt to not irresponsibly breed her Chihuahua.  I’ve tried talking to her a few times about it, but I know the best chance I have will be to show her outside sources via email.

     

    It's nice to read that you want to stop your aunt, and provide her with as much anti- breeding info as possible. Smile

     

    Krissim Klaw-For a little background info, her Chihuahua Luigi was a pet store Christmas present .  Not sure he’ll ever be fully potty trained since they use pee pads and Luigi thinks all soft materials=pee pad, but overall their care is pretty good.

     

    First, Luigi isn't even completely trained, he is still going potty in the house, and in my opinion, your aunt hasn't even fully trained her dog, let alone, getting ready to usher in a new pup.  I won't get started about pet stores.  A really good article about the errs of pet store dogs:  http://hattrick-dals.home.att.net/10Reasons.html

     

    Krissim Klaw -That being stated however they decided they want to get a friend for Luigi and have come to the conclusion that breeding him is the best way to go about it.  First off, he isn’t even a year yet, and they plan to breed him when he is only about a year (when the female they chose goes into heat).  When I asked about genetic testing, which she hasn’t done nor heard of, she admitted that they already know he has elbow problems.

     

    Chihuahua's, like most other breeds, are prone to a slew of health issues, with heart, elbow's and eye's being at the top of the list.  I have provided the link to the Chihuahua parent club's link about health testing.  http://www.chihuahuaclubofamerica.com/health_testing.htm  If anyone should know about the illnesses and diseases that effect Chihuahua's, they're the people to know.

     

    Krissim Klaw -As if that weren’t enough, they just sent me the info on who the female want to breed him to. (along with asking me if I would be interested in one of the future puppies -__-)  It is a female Chihuahua, no papers, who will be just a little over a year when they breed her to Luigi, and who has already, yes I sad already, had one litter with a poodle…  As you can imagine I wanted to pull my hair out at the information of that poor female being forced to give birth when she is still just a pup herself and then being expected to do it so soon again.

     

    Sadly, the people that your aunt is getting involved with, are not the most dog savvy of people, and are strictly breeding for the purpose of money.  No dog should be bred before the age of two, and especially not before any health testing has been done.  They already know that Luigi has health problems, and as another member stated, surgery is costly and may need to be done in both knees.  If he is bred, this genetic trait may be passed on to one or all of the puppies, causing their future owners financial grief, and the dogs undo suffering.

    http://www.chihuahuaclubofamerica.com/rescue.htm  Again, the parent club had a great link to help your aunt search for Chihuahuas in her area that are up for adoption, so instead of adding to the unwanted population, she can save one.

     

    http://www.adoptarescuepet.org/byb.htm  This article is about the grim reality facing millions of unwanted dogs, which many are a direct result of backyard breeding, an act which your aunt would be committing.

     

    http://www.breedingbetterdogs.com/author.html Dr. Carmen Battaglia is the author of several books about the subject of dog breeding, and about the influence of genetics in dogs.  I highly recommend to anyone wanting to breed dogs, to read some of this mans literature.  It's a shocking reality of the adversities that dog breeders have to face.  There is no such thing as a perfect puppy, but it takes years of breed dedication and research, including health testing to have healthy dogs.  They aren't born by miracles. 

    I hope some of this will help in your plight to your aunt.  Good luck.

    Ashley

     

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  • 07-05-2008 7:23 AM In reply to BannedBreed Lover

    Re: Need your help... (Krissim)

    I think you have already been provided with links galore on breeding.

    But Chihuahua Rescue and Transport (CRT) is a nationwide Chihuahua rescue -- www.chihuahua-rescue.com.

    And www.dogsindanger.com might be worth a peek, too.

    ETA:  Okay, a couple more--this time on breeding:

    http://www.marlischis.com/to_breed_or_not_to_breed.htm  (this one focuses more on the bitch, but still worth a read)

    http://members.aol.com/moon449415/Page5.htm  (this one provides several additional links, including this one on breeding a MALE http://members.aol.com/moon449415/Page11.htm )

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  • 07-05-2008 7:36 AM In reply to GypsyNBeau

    Re: Need your help... (Krissim)

     This is a good one:

    http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/breeding/breeder2.html

    Be sure to note that this is actually a labrador kind of site.... smaller dogs have (proportionally speaking) larger puppies and therefore GREATER chance of whelping problems.... pups getting stuck for example, emergency C-sections etc.  Labs and other medium-large breeds are a bit like shelling peas by comparison.

    I feel for you I really do.  How frustrating!  Sad

    I really hope you can educate your Aunt.  Good luck!
     

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  • 07-05-2008 1:37 PM In reply to Krissim Klaw

    Re: Need your help... (Krissim)

     Thank you so much everyone for responding.  All those links and info are going to be a great help in the email I write up. ^__^

     
    I know chances are I'm not going to be able to convince her not to breed her dog, but at least I can say I tried.

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