Active dogs and joint support?

• 10-14-2007 2:47 PM

  stardog85 Joined on 09-10-2007 South Carolina, USA Posts 1,591 Points 105

  Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact I'm starting to look into joint supplements; Maggie is 8yo and does a lot of jumping, hiking, running, etc.  She shows no signs of active arthritis and I'd like to keep it that way.  My vet swears by Cosequin, but it's pricy and I don't have a dog that is arthritic, so I'm looking for something that provides good protection and has a good track record but is less pricy. I'm looking into Glycoflex and Knox NutraJoint - any experiences, good bad or neither?   Erin, the Amazing Maggie Mae, and Super Puppy Ziva

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• 10-14-2007 2:57 PM

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  calliecritturs Joined on 09-10-2007 Central Florida Posts 7,735 Points 2,075

  Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact Knox NutraJoint simply puts the needed 'stuff' at the body's disposal to *rebuild* cartilage.  I don't know how it would be for 'prevention' altho I'd suppose it would simply supplement the body to do what was needed. I've used it for years -- both on me and the dogs.  Very benign and easy to do.  I just use the powdered stuff in the cannister -- it's in the Jello aisle at the grocery store.  don't think it's available in Canada tho.

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• 10-14-2007 5:13 PM

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  fuzzy_dogs_mom Joined on 09-10-2007 Davis, CA Posts 7,028 Points 200	Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact I used to have an arthritic dog and I got him the glucosamine w/chondroitin tablets at Costco.  If I remember right, it was about $20 for a huge bottle - about 250 tablets. He was limping pretty badly when he first developed arthritis at 12, but he was walking more like a pup when he was 15. Joyce
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• 10-14-2007 9:52 PM

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  Maxs Mom Joined on 09-26-2006 Livonia, MI Posts 1,646 Points 100

  Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact I was told that glucosamine/chondroitin supplements are not monitered by the FDA (or whatever) and VERY few of the labels match the actual ingredients. That being said, they won't hurt you or your dog. I have also been told there is NO scientific proof that these supplements actually do anything for the joints but people who take them swear by them. I am one of those people. I decided since my horses and dogs were on them I should try them, I have not had much back pain at all since I started. Cosequin IS one of the few products that actually has the ingredients and levels it says it does. Yes it is pricier but you are getting a good product. I get mine from an on line supplier, and their prices are not bad. If you want their link send me a PM. I don't know if it is acceptable to post that on the board. I like Cosequin for another reason too, my dogs like it. The other gluc/chond supplements I had tried before my dogs did not eat very readily. I had more than one person who I highly respect, unsolicited tell me the same thing about why Cosequin is better. I decided it was worth the not too much more money I was spending.     Ann & Art Maxine CGC, UADNJIII, DDNJ-r (11 yr old Golden) Belle NJP, NAJ, OJP, OAP, CGC, UAGI, UADSJ, UADJJ (5 Black Lab) Teddi UADJJ, UJJ, CGC (2 yr old Golden) Pete 14 yr old TB

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• 10-14-2007 11:03 PM

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  PomMommy Joined on 04-25-2007 NY Posts 163 Points 0

  Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact Would Cosequine be good for a little  - well, very little (6 lb. ) dog? From what i see they say for dogs 25 lb. and up, but maybe i'm looking at the wrong ones? I would like to try it for my pup. He is currently on the Excel Joints Ensure Plus which also has Glucosamine/Chondrotine and MSM in it. I heard raves about Cosequine, and would love to try it. Irina, Luke and Lex.

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• 10-15-2007 12:37 AM

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  cat0 Joined on 10-05-2007 California Posts 285 Points 45

  Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact Cosequin has instructions for different size dogs, but you can ask your vet if you think he's too small.  Cosequin IS pricey.  But for a small dog it's probably not such an issue.  It was the first, and I believe that the actual ratios are patented, so anybody else's brand has to be a variation.     Maxs Mom: I was told that glucosamine/chondroitin supplements are not monitered by the FDA (or whatever) and VERY few of the labels match the actual ingredients. Consumer reports had that story a while back,  and costco's was one of the handful that were accurate to the label.   The price sure makes a difference if you have a big dog.  My sister put her lab on the one from Walmart.  You can see a few other brands in a news story if you google consumer report glucosamine abc12 I started with Glycoflex from the vet, but I wanted more chondroitin, so I went to Joint-Max DS chewable (because it's easy).  But when this is gone I may try Costco's. Whether it works or not is a personal experience, I think.  I had one dog that went from practically crippled to downright playful, like a puppy.  The vet couldn't believe it, and I thought the stuff must have been laced with uppers.  But it didn't have any impact at all on another dog... and it doesn't work for me personally.  You have to just try it for a couple of months.  My dog is on it for life, though.

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• 10-15-2007 7:21 AM

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  Maxs Mom Joined on 09-26-2006 Livonia, MI Posts 1,646 Points 100

  Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact We tried Joint Max DS, my dogs would not eat them so we had to crush them up and mix with cheese. Silly dogs, I decided that was too expensive. I know Cosequin comes in different strengths. We feed Cosequin DS for large dogs, there is one for small dogs. Ann & Art Maxine CGC, UADNJIII, DDNJ-r (11 yr old Golden) Belle NJP, NAJ, OJP, OAP, CGC, UAGI, UADSJ, UADJJ (5 Black Lab) Teddi UADJJ, UJJ, CGC (2 yr old Golden) Pete 14 yr old TB

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• 10-15-2007 11:58 AM

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  DogPark Joined on 06-04-2007 Posts 195 Points 0	Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact That's exactly what my vet recommended for Mosby.  I give him one every morning in a "pill pocket"...these treats that you put the pill in the middle of.  He loves them!
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• 10-15-2007 12:34 PM

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  Jewlieee Joined on 03-23-2007 MI Posts 5,982 Points 4,235	Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact hmm I'd like to try the Cosco version but we don't have cosco's around here. I refuse to pay $90 for a bottle of Cosequin so I'm looking for other options as well. I currently get the brand from 1800petmeds but I feel like I'm paying for nothing because I don't really know if they have the right stuff in them (going back to that same article)
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• 10-15-2007 1:06 PM

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  sandra_slayton Joined on 09-10-2007 Ingleside, Texas Posts 3,231 Points 0

  Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact My golden retriever, KayCee turned 8 in Aug.  She had one knee operated on for luxting patella at age 16 months, the ohter knee operated for the Lp and ACL 14 months later and has been on the Gluoc/MSM ever since, and have had her the knox stuff for a few months.  Where beore her her lat surgery she couldn't get on the low sofa, the bed, run, etc, today you would never know she ever had a problem with her knees.  of course the surgeries corrected theproblems, but my vet said arthritis would probably set in at an early age.  So far it hasn't, or a least it hasn't been detected. I use the stuff from Walmart   Also, my 12 year old golden i lost to heart attack back in May had developed arthritis in his hips and low back andi had hime on Osteo-Bi Flex, two a day.  And i started him on the Knox stuff hoping to see results in the 3 months or longer and was totally surprised to see him doing things in just over 2 months of being on it that he had not done for months--like stretch his rear legs out behind him.  Hubby was so impress with Buck's progress that HE started taking the pill form.

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• 10-15-2007 1:09 PM

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  Jewlieee Joined on 03-23-2007 MI Posts 5,982 Points 4,235	Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact Can you guys tell me more about the Knox Nutrijoint? If it's powdered form, how much do you give and how do you feed it?
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• 10-15-2007 1:16 PM

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  ladiebug Joined on 08-19-2006 S Florida Posts 758 Points 100

  Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact I can vouch for the Knox NutraJoint, we LOVE it!  When our GSD was showing signs of hip problems, we got X-rays and they confirmed our fears, he has bad hips.  He didn't show any signs at time of adoption, but he was much smaller.  Anyway, we needed something more economical and less taxing on the body than prescriptions.  I came to the forum asking advice and Callie recommend the Knox NutraJoint.  I bot a canister the next morning and gave it to both dogs, as Peanut has Bursitis.  They didn't like it much, but when I mixed it into their yogurt and added fish oil, they LOVEd it! While it took about 3 months to see improvement, it HAS made a big difference.  Our dogs run and jump as if they were pups, no hesitations.  I began using it same time as the dogs, and love it.  I tried glucosamine chondroitin, with MSM, but did not see significant inprovemnt.  It helped me manage my arthritic discomforts only.  The Knox has helped rid me of pain.  I thot I'd need Carpal Tunnel surgery, but it turned out to be arthritis and since I began taking Knox, the pain has disappeared.  This product is a staple in our house!

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• 10-15-2007 1:26 PM

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  Jewlieee Joined on 03-23-2007 MI Posts 5,982 Points 4,235	Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact  hmm, well both Dakota and Neiko are sensitive to yogurt (gives them both the runs) so I'd have to mix it with something else. Pumpkin maybe. Where do you get fish oil? That is something else I've been wanting to give both dogs - and my cat who has a lot of dander
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• 10-15-2007 1:27 PM

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  ladiebug Joined on 08-19-2006 S Florida Posts 758 Points 100

  Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact I measured out 3 teaspoons fit into the enclosed scoop.  I made a rough calculation:  I thought 1 scoop (as directed) for the average person, let's say weighing 150 lbs., so I figured 1 teaspoon per 50 lbs.  I was afraid to overdo it because of the added vitamins, I didn't want to kill my dogs' livers.  So, when Draico was 50 lbs, I gave him 1 teaspoon, this also helped acclimate the dogs to taste.  Peanut was 70 lbs and got 2 teaspoons.  As they grew, I increased the dose, proportionately.  Then I read a thread, but can't remember it, exactly, but it had to do with Benadryl dosing.  Anyway, it stated something to the effect that a dog's metabolism is faster than a humans, therefore it was safe to give a dose recommended for a human.  If anyone remembers this, and I mistated any info, please correct me. Well, based on that thread, I decided to try to give the dogs a scoop in their yogurt, that was 9 months ago.  To this day, we have seen no ill side effects, only positive ones.  Peanut currently weighs 80 lbs, and Draico weighs 70 lbs.

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• 10-15-2007 1:33 PM

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  ladiebug Joined on 08-19-2006 S Florida Posts 758 Points 100

  Re: Active dogs and joint support? Reply Contact Jewlieee:  hmm, well both Dakota and Neiko are sensitive to yogurt (gives them both the runs) so I'd have to mix it with something else. Pumpkin maybe. Where do you get fish oil? That is something else I've been wanting to give both dogs - and my cat who has a lot of dander You may try to mix the powder in with their canned, or home cooked, if you feed that.  The fish oil, I tried mine on them first, I buy the capsules.  When I found they liked it, I bought a pump bottle at my local pet supply.  Try a search for fish or salmon oil.  I remember threads where folks posted websites for them. Have you tried feeding fish like canned salmon, mackerel, or sardines?  I ask because, again, Callie recommended doing that when we dealt with allergies and skin issues last summer.  I tried it, rotate feeding the fish 2-3 times a week, and it made a HUGE difference.  Our cats wait patiently for their share of the fish, too.  They lop up the oils, and take a few bites of the fish. ?Q? What do you feed your cat?

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