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He's a good guard dog... but what happens next?

Last post 10-15-2009 11:47 AM by rwbeagles. 4 replies.
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  • 10-13-2009 7:52 AM

    • sugaaar
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    He's a good guard dog... but what happens next?

    I have this Mastiff mix (thinking either Labrador or Redbone Coonhound... I'll post some pictures!) and he is very protective. His name is Tanner and I looooove him to death! What a great dog. He is very active, for a Mastiff and for his size! Tanner is about seven months old, maybe a little older... I "rescued" him in May, and he was born in March. He was about 26 lbs when I got him, and now he weighs in a little over 90 lbs!! Wheeww.

    He's awesome, very friendly with women. But men? He doesn't like the sight of them. Or, well, shouldn't say that... he likes boys and men that look decent (I know it sounds silly, but still) he will growl at a scruffy, old, dark looking man but will go over and greet a tidy and well kept one! He is okay with "feminine" looking men, but real big men intimidate him. It's silly I know!!! But that is how he behaves. I've got a biggg brother, a big dad and he is fine with them. My boss is a big guy, a vet, and Tanner doesn't like him! Which makes me look pretty bad, needless to day :(

    Now I say that he doesn't like these specific types of men... but he does warm up to them!! After a treat, a couple of sniffs and a pat on the head and my pup is totally relaxed! He lets out a low rumble growl, just very short. He backs up into me, too. Really this has been happening since the week I brought him home. I would bring him to the pet store (gross place, we never went back) and a big, husky girl walked up to us and Tanner growled, I could feel it in the leash, and squeezed between my feet!! At another place he did a similar thing, but warmed up to the staff very quickly and he was right at home.

    After that, I would take him to baseball games through the summer and he LOVED it. Tanners "high" is any kind of ball you could name... tennis and baseballs being his favorite. He just goes nuts! So that was fun, and let me tell you he had more people coming over and patting him, little toddlers and babies coming over and hugging him. I totally trust this dog with children, no doubt. He had the neighborhood children around him everyday, so that was good! Definitely a great dog, but a little sassy with the men!

    He's awesome with cats, just ignores them for the most part. I have three ferrets and he has this totaly drive to chase them but he can't catch them, but we still have to supervise, regardless. Tanner plays so well with dog, or, the dogs that want to be played with. He gets lots of socializing with dogs and people and I continue to practice this.

    I guess I should tell you where he came from, to maybe paint the picture a little better! I work at a veterinary hospital, and I'm an 18 year old girl in my first year of university. Woo. Anyway, I got a call one day at work from a young woman who wanted to get this pup vaccinate. I got her an appointment and just out of curiosity asked what kind of pup it was, how old, etc. Small talk, you know! Anyway, she goes on to say that it wasn't her puppy, and it was some sort of Mastiff mix. She told me that she had heard, from a friend or such, that this pup was being mistreated in a dingey apartment in the "lower" part of downtown. Don't want to be mean, but think of that place in the city where no one likes to go, and has a bad reputation. That's the place. Well, she goes on to say that this puppy was having its whiskers pulled out and cut off, was going to have his tail docked (at two months of age!!!) was being tied up, left, not being fed. In my books thats pretty well abusing a puppy, if you ask me. Didn't hear anything about hitting it, but he was not being treated well just the same. I guess the "friend" said that these owners had some pretty bad plans for him, which would be typical for that part of town... They knew he was going to grow up to be a big, tough looking dog, so I'm sure those owners were going to utilize those qualities.

    So she came in with the puppy, the day I booked em in, and I fell in love! In my mind I had pictured your average "black" lab cross, not really excited. But in walked this THING with a red coat, black eyes and nose!!!!! What a beauty! Anyway, we were chatting with the girl and she forgot to mention that she was looking for a home for this puppy... and before she could hardly finish I told her I would take him. I was sold. He was so calm, quiet... just very mild-mannered. He was like that for a looong time, and them my brother started rough-housing with him which pretty much turned him into another dog. Don't get me wrong, he's still the best thing that's happened to me but he has a lot more spunk!! Which is good, in a lot of ways!

    So knowing his history, and the mischief he's been getting up to... should I be worried? I mean, at 7 months and 90 lbs, I am going to assume he will be getting a little bigger. Last night, actually, someone was walking around inside of the house with shoes on and making a lot of noise. Tanner sleeps on my bed, and when he was stirred by the noise he lifted his head and let go a little growl. Other times, and not often, when he is really suprised or offended he lets go this HOWL like you wouldn't believe, a huge baaarrrruuuu. Hound dog, for sure, no doubt!!

    I know it's in the mastiff's nature to be protective and a guard dog, so is this what it sounds like to you? He is a tad fearful, but is working out of that quite well. I really don't have any complaints, just a great dog.

    I guess I am just wondering if there are any exercises I should do to prevent his protective behavior from reaching too far, like being totally aggressive to anything that moves, which he isn't, for sure! I am also wondering if he is being protective or if he is already just aggressive and totally fearful. I don't want him to turn into a monster, and I doubt he will, but it's hard to reverse once we get there!

    We did to training, and he did awesome. Probably the best in his class. This dog is very smart, and has a lot of potential to really be able to do anything!! Hah, he's like my wonder dog. All I have to do is show him once or twice and BAM new trick. It's great for novelty for sure, but let's look after this growling!!!

     Thanks for much for any feedback! I really appreciate it, and Tanner does too! Sorry about the length, maybe I will try and keep it down for next time..

    Jenna

     

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  • 10-13-2009 11:55 AM In reply to sugaaar

    • erica1989
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    Re: He's a good guard dog... but what happens next?

     this dog is not a 'tad fearful' he is extremely fearful. I honestly think you need to hire a good behaviorist. he is going to get MUCH bigger (large breed dogs do not stop growing until around age 2). This behavior needs to stop - now.

    You need to work on building his confidence, probably could use some more socialization classes as well.

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  • 10-14-2009 12:22 AM In reply to sugaaar

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    Re: He's a good guard dog... but what happens next?

    Hi, Sugaaar....good for you for taking on this dog.  Mastiffs usually can't howl worth their soul Big Smile so whatever else your boy has in him; it must be a true howler.  When I read your post, i thought it doesn't sound like a Mastiff, but when I saw his pictures, he definitely has the ears and the expression.  It doesn't really matter if the rest of him is a mix of  Golden, Coonhound and/or maybe even Malenois (sp); if he has any Mastiff in him at all, he needs firm and constant training...as does any dog.

    My Bullmastiff (RIP) was regularly used in puppy classes as the "example" dog, but at home, he was a rambunctious puppy.  I did nothing to teach him to guard, but one day at six months, he heard a noise way down the hill and up went that ridge down his back.  He looked like a Ridgeback and I then understood natural guarding tendencies. It is said the Bullmastiffs don't bark much, but a friend of mine did the same as your brother,  crouched down and barked at him and from then on, we had to work on his barking.  (I wasn't so friendly with my friend after thatSuper Angry)

    Your boy is still a puppy and will be until he is about two or three.  Mastiff puppies are not low energy and they are not laid back....they are as goofy as any other puppy.  Mastiff adults appear laid back, that is, until they are triggered by what they think is a threat.  When they sense danger they go into guard mode without warning.  Bottom line, lots of training...study any material you can get your hands on....and train every day...take all the classes that you can. 

    Regarding the fear factor: Everything you described regarding his first few months is bad but you got the dog at a very young age and if you train, you can bring about some balance and maybe even clean the slate a bit.  If you believe that you can teach an old dog new tricks, then believe that you can teach a young dog new tricks, but you must train.

    Regarding growling:  Mastiffs tend to have a deep rumbling noise that is a warning...but check out the teeth. Mastiffs rarely waste their time baring their teeth and growling; they tend to assess and then do what is necessary.  Whatever your boy is mixed with is more likely to be a breed that will growl and bare its teeth...good to have warning Smile if you have concerns.  Either way, whether it is a rumble or growl, if your dog is warning you, then you need to respond....ie find a way to say "it's okay" or "nothing wrong" and then distract him and carry out your business; if he is correct however and there is some freak walking past your home, "good boy, wait" then when you know you are safe "it's okay" and then bring him down.  It's all in the communication you develop with him.

    Your tone of voice is a big part of your dog's response.  There is a big difference between "Okay!" (excited tone of voice, such as in fetch or go ahead)  and "its okay"....(low calm tone of voice, such as in everything is okay).  Just my two cents worth....good luck.


     

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  • 10-15-2009 11:31 AM In reply to Bruister

    • sugaaar
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    Re: He's a good guard dog... but what happens next?

    Thank you so so so much!!! Everything you described about your dog, with the ridge on his back raising up with his tension... so true!! When he is very alerted by something, he goes absolutely ridgid and focused, it's kind of amazing how alert he is at everything. Really, thank you so much for your input. It means even more since you have the experience with a Mastiff, and your advice isn't discouraging at all, because I was really started to get discouraged with his stubborn personality! That's the other thing... he is so stubborn, and independent, you wouldn't believe it!

     As for the teeth, has never ever showed his teeth, or really ever given anyone a second rumble growl. It's like he states his opinion has he's satisfied.

    Hahah and Tanner was the example pup in his classes too! The trainer just loved how I had control over this huuuuge 65 lb, 6 month old, pup when the others couldn't control their 10 lb pups. He was still very well mannered at home, listened really well, until the brother started rough-housing, like I said.

    There's no way I can give up on this dog though. He's STILL not a bad dog, just has some bad habits. The brother is really hurting our progress though... very frustrating.

    We'll definitely look into more classes. Our other issue is the quality of training we have in our area. Lots of trainers, not too much expertise. Anyone can make a dog sit... So that's just another thing!!!

    Thanks again!

     

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  • 10-15-2009 11:47 AM In reply to sugaaar

    Re: He's a good guard dog... but what happens next?

    Frightened dogs...are actually typically VERY alert to anything because they are in a constant state of worry over something going on that will cause them anxiety or more fear.

    He does need to be socialized more and you also, after viewing the pics...need to consider the fact that he may have something like Fila mixed in (becoming very popular in urban areas where people like big scary dogs)...and this COULD be the beginning of a bit of Ojeriza type behavior. Tosa and Cane Corso can also display a sort of pseudo protectiveness that is edged with fear, and if not raised and managed properly this can lead to trouble.

    You as the owner MUST ensure you are not projecting or anticipating ANYTHING, but positive things, because male dogs specifically are very in tune with female owners and we women at times tend to LIKE big protective dogs...and misinterpret fearful reactions as protectiveness. Try to project confidence and picture your dog reacting WELL to many different types of people. If you see a large male person approaching I bet now tho you may not PLAN on it...you tense up, withdraw into yourself, brace for impact. You really should observe your own behavior in those situations...be aware of it...and make changes if necessary. Make sure you are projecting how you want your dog to react...he will key in on it.

    True protection, comes from a dog that is balanced and confident and willing to allow an owner to dictate their response in a given situation. Dogs do have a sixth sense about people yes...and dogs DO sense bad intentions many times..but a dog already halfway down the fear hole is not a dog who's judgement can or should be trusted.

    Hoping you can get it worked out.... welcome!

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