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Four of a Kind/Royal Flush

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  • 01-16-2009 11:07 AM

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    Four of a Kind/Royal Flush

    Many on this board have an assortment of breeds living peacefully under one roof while others have chosen to have several of the same breed.Do you think a dog can recognize that another is different from himself? Would a herding breed for example be happier with a similar roomie than with say, a pug that doesn't share the same drive?I've always kept a hodge podge of breeds and mixes for no other reason than I like variety.Are there benefits to keeping all the same breed or breeds that share comonalities?

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  • 01-16-2009 11:28 AM In reply to 4HAND

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    I would think that the more different their temperaments are, the better they would be able to get along (not saying that dogs of the same breed wouldn't, of course).  I don't think that the breeds matter all that much, but more the personality of the dog.  For example, my two muttlies (I think a boxer mix on one and some kind of pit x, maybe, whippet) get along very well, but I think I owe that to their temperament.  The boxer mix is definitely a dominant personality, very active, always on the go, etc.  The other is on the submissive side and is content with laying as close as possible to you (although she's a rocket when we get out in an open place).  I think they get along so well because they're not really "competing" with eachother so much. 

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that is you have, say, to working breeds, which are generally known for being more dominant, the dogs may have a more difficult time getting along if they have the same dominant, active personality known for those breeds.  But there are plenty of working dogs with temperaments like my little girl, too.  I think you just have to be smart when picking your dogs (not necessarily their breeds) and make sure they'll meld together as best as possible.  :) 

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  • 01-16-2009 12:10 PM In reply to Workingdoglover

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    Dogs definitely recognize "breeds" and looks -- it was almost scarey the way Foxy the Mostlie Sheltie PICKED BILLY -- it was more than 6 months after Muffin the Intrepid had 'passed' and Billy is a far smaller cocker than Mufferino had been but Foxy picked him, wanted him, and nobuddy else would do!!

    They impose their breed characteristics on each other - it's pretty funny to see Tink (my pug) sitting ON both Billy and Luna.  Luna will be curled up and the pug will literally sit in the 'center' of her like she was a bed, or she'll park herself on one of the others' hips or back or any body part closest to her.  (It's a pug thing to want to "sit on" you -- it's the funniest thing I've ever seen and she doesn't necessarily need your ok or need you to 'catch' her when she zooms up on you either!)

    Luna doesn't need a choir to sing WITH her when she howls (she says she's FINE with acapella!!) ...

    We think diversity is marvelous -- we sometimes look long and hard for that dog to 'fit in' and sometimes we just make the effort to ensure that they all get along. 

    If you require a 'team' like sled dogs then the same size/shape/stamina would be important.  Sometimes I'm sure it makes sense to stick with a breed, but it's not for us and we're never sorry.


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  • 01-16-2009 12:55 PM In reply to 4HAND

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    Trievers do really well together, but they also do really well with more bossy dogs like herding dogs or more guardy dogs like GSD's or Rotties.  It is funny to see a flock of trievers together with one dog who has herder or guarder in them.  The non-triever will see something suspicious and start barking and all the trievers who have been playing, will look up like "what's the problem."

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  • 01-16-2009 7:05 PM In reply to Workingdoglover

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    Re: Four of a Kind/Royal Flush

    Workingdoglover:

    I would think that the more different their temperaments are, the better they would be able to get along (not saying that dogs of the same breed wouldn't, of course).  I don't think that the breeds matter all that much, but more the personality of the dog.  For example, my two muttlies (I think a boxer mix on one and some kind of pit x, maybe, whippet) get along very well, but I think I owe that to their temperament.  The boxer mix is definitely a dominant personality, very active, always on the go, etc.  The other is on the submissive side and is content with laying as close as possible to you (although she's a rocket when we get out in an open place).  I think they get along so well because they're not really "competing" with eachother so much. 

    That paragraph is perfect, imo. It's all in the personality, which may vary, regardless of breed.

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  • 01-16-2009 7:39 PM In reply to 4HAND

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    Dogs of different breeds certainly can get along in the same household, as can dogs of the same breed. Probably the worst combination is two very dominant dogs, regardless of what their breeds are. On the other hand, I do think breed makes a difference in how dogs interact, at least in a general way. It's really fun after our tracking practice sessions to just let the dogs run loose in the tracking field. The retrievers and the cockers are all running around checking all the bushes, noses in air, basically saying "bird? bird?, any birds out here?" And the collies, aussie, cattle dog, and border collies are all chasing each other around. The three GSD's have to play by themselves in a different part of the field because they keep trying to control the rest of the dogs when they are together. They aren't aggressive exactly, but they are definitely intimidating to the rest of the dogs who are just more happy go lucky and amiable with each other. So, it's funny to see a bunch of dogs, all in the same field, but one group playing one sort of game, another group playing a different game, with each group almost oblivious of the other group, and then a third group off by itself because it can't handle the disorderly conduct of the other two groups. Obviously there are personality differences within breeds, but it fascinates me to see how a bunch of dogs also pretty much spontaneously form their own little cliques that do correspond to the differences in what they were bred to do.
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  • 01-16-2009 7:40 PM In reply to 4HAND

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    Re: Four of a Kind/Royal Flush

     You know what's funny is I never really noticed any dog-recognition in any of my previous dogs until I got AKK.  I first noticed it when we had the AKK get-together this summer (15 AKK all together!).  The dogs seemed to just *click*, all of them.  This has only been reinforced since getting Eli.  When Eli and Honor first met, it was like they were siamese twins.  They think the same, have the same playstyles, the same evil-overlord thoughts (lol).  And you could tell that they bonded from the first moment of being together.  Honor has also always seemed to gravitate toward the Siberians and Malamutes that frequent our local dog park as well.  Maybe the Klee Kai are remembering some sled-dog-archetype from their origins?  I'm not sure, but there is DEFINITELY some recognition there.

    As for Nike, my lovely soft boy, he doesn't give any appearance of recognizing his own breed (or any other sort of herding breed).  But then again he didn't grow up really interacting with other dogs.


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  • 01-16-2009 8:18 PM In reply to 4HAND

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    **I haven't read anything but the OP yet**

    When I was looking at Greyhounds, I saw that some of GH's would only except other Grey's, and would be agressive towards non-Greys.

    So, I guess they can tell the difference, but, I'd say it depends on the dog.

    Meg
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  • 01-17-2009 12:16 AM In reply to 4HAND

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    I'm not sure that I know what I think! 

    I think that as long as personalities mesh well together, you can live with a happy, stable pack of dogs of different breeds.

    I have noticed that both the Boxer, & the Dobe recognize, & gravitate to members of their own breed.  The Doxies, otoh, could care less if they meet other Doxies.  Shooter tends to gravitate to the largest dog available, no matter what the breed.  Schatzi gravitates towards Boxers.

    Amanda

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  • 01-17-2009 1:36 AM In reply to BEVOLASVEGAS

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     When I was working at a local dog groomers/ poodle breeder, I was able to bring Maze (lab mix) with me. There was a Standard Poodle that Maze fell in love with but he wanted nothing to do with her. But as soon as a toy poodle came out, he would play with them.  The toy's wanted nothing to do with Maze either.

    I feel that poodles are very breed orianted (sp?) and really don't like other breeds. When the poodles were playing, they ALLOWED Maze to run with them but really never interacted with her in any way.

    Now with Sandy and Maze, this relationship works because Maze is the domaint personality while Sandy is the submissive so their roles in the pack are already defined and there were no problems bringing in the puppy. (Sandy)

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  • 01-17-2009 1:36 AM In reply to 4HAND

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     I think in the end it has more to do with how the individual dogs get along and how much effort the person involved is willing to put forth to make sure the relationship goes as smoothly as possible.

     

    That being said, Kirby can recognize another pap a mile away.  His greetings toward other paps are completely different than other dogs.  There is an almost fanboy excitement in him.  Every once in a while he will see a small sheltie, or long haired chihuahua from a distance and he'll light up.  Then he wil run over and he'll realize nope, not a pap, and you can just see the disappointment in his eyes as the excitment leaves him.

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  • 01-17-2009 1:43 AM In reply to Krissim Klaw

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    Adding to my statement :

    I did notice the first time we went to the dog park(before the fight, when only 5 or 6 dogs were there) that Sam was more drawn to the other 2 Labbies in the park.....it might be because they were girls thou...Huh?

    Meg
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  • 01-17-2009 2:07 AM In reply to 4HAND

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    My shepherds have always gravitated towards other shepherds. There could be a group of 8-10 dogs hanging together, and invariably, mine would pick out the shepherd in the group as if they recognized it as a relative. That doesn't necessarily mean they'd get along better with a shepherd than another breed, but I do think that having compatible play styles helps.

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  • 01-17-2009 10:38 AM In reply to Cassidys Mom

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    Having lived in a home with a large group of one breed, and a couple of other breeds, I have noticed differences. The Schnauzers could get along with other breeds with no real problems, but they always seemed to have an affinity for each other much more than other breeds.

    A huge part of it, too, though, is the dog's experience I think. If the dog never experiences other dogs of its own breed, it may not make the association that it is a *Schnauzer* or a *Shepherd*. When I took Zipper to his training class, he did a meet and greet with all dogs, but he was very much drawn to the other Schnauzer in the class much more than the non-Schnauzers. Then again, he has a lot of experience with other Schnauzers, and only medium (passive socialization, rather than living with) experience with non-Schnauzers. So whether it recognizes it as "like him" or he simply has been socialized to it most, I can't say. He didn't tell me. Wink

    So in the end, I think it's a broad combination of social experiences, how much contact the dog has had with its own kind and other kinds, and personalities that gives us what we see before us.


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  • 01-17-2009 1:37 PM In reply to Krissim Klaw

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    There's a lot of classical behavior research on the phenomenon of imprinting in animals, and I think a sort of weak imprinting could happen with dogs as well. It seems plausible to me that dogs would tend to gravitate toward other dogs that look like the milk bar and like their siblings and that the tendency could carry over to some extent into adulthood. It would be interesting to see if puppies raised in a puppy mill where they might be surrounded by cages of other dogs that look very different from their mom, and where puppies might be taken away from mom sooner, would show as strong a preference for their own breed as puppies raised with mom and siblings and not exposed to other breeds until they were older. I'm just totally hypothesizing here, but I think it's an interesting question.

    One anecdote that sort of goes along with this idea of imprinting occurred in our tracking group. At the time we had five or six shelties in the tracking group, and they all happened to be tri-colors (ie mostly black and white). A new member showed up for practice with her sable sheltie who just happened to come from a sable mom and had all sable litter mates. The sheltie was about a year old at the time, very very well socialized with all kinds of dogs. As per tradition, at the end of practice we turned all the dogs loose to play. So there were a half dozen black and white shelties, a black and white border collie, a black lab, a black schnauzer, a couple tri color collies, and the sable sheltie, and a blond cocker. The cocker and t he sheltie just stuck to each other like glue. Everyone in the group commented on the color segregation. So, my hypothesis is that both of these dogs had at least loosely imprinted on brown as part of their recognition, and that in that sea of black and white dogs, the color attraction overrode recognition based on head and body shape and behavior and other features. Just a guess, but it was hilarious to see these two little brown dogs instantly become best buddies amidst the mass of other dogs.

    But, while I think there might be a recognition and affinity for dogs of different breeds, I don't think that it matters a bit when deciding about having two dogs living together. I think the individual personalities of the dogs far overrides any recognition they might have for their own breed. If dogs can learn to co-exist peacefully and even amiably with cats, birds, bunnies, etc I wouldn't give a second thought to whether a basset and a border collie, or whatever combination, can become buds. If they have the personality to get along with other animals they will do just fine, and if they don't have the personality to get along with other animals, choosing the same breed won't help."

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