I need nail help.(kle1986)

• 11-24-2008 5:30 PM

  kle1986 Joined on 10-22-2007 KY Posts 3,488 Points 915

  I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact  I have been trying to get Fynn used to the dremel. But he wants nothing to do with it. So how am I supposed to get his nails show short? Do the nails really have to be a certain lenght? Or will that count against him? He even hates the sight of it. I have been leaving it laying on the inn table but he makes sure he puts a good distance between him and the dremel when walking past it. You would think it was a snake getting ready to bite him.  I have dremeled Lillie's and Joker's nail in front of him but he just wants nothing to do with it.  Kimberly

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• 11-24-2008 7:02 PM

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  Sera_J Joined on 09-10-2007 Western Washington (State) Posts 3,469 Points 830

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact Put your clicker to use. Lay the dremel on the floor.... when he takes a step towards it click, cookie... when he touches it Jackpot. I also make a big deal of giving cookies to the dog getting their nails done. The other dog doesn't get cookies (special, very, very high quality liver treats) ... until they are getting their toes done. I also just barely touch the dremel on the toe to start with.  Touch it with it off, first JACKPOT!! Slowly build up. I say "Who wants to get their toes done?"  and they both BUST BUTT to be the first one in my lap to get their nails done.  I started giving a small cookie per toe, now I give one per paw and jackpot at the end.   Lani- Dog.community Moderator Proud Idogger since April 2005

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• 11-24-2008 7:14 PM

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  kle1986 Joined on 10-22-2007 KY Posts 3,488 Points 915

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact  He could care less about treats. I tried it. All he wants to do is run away. When I first showed it to him last Thursday he smelled it and ran away. It wasnt even turned on. I also give treats to Lillie and Joker per paw. Joker loves it. Heck he even lays down and goes to sleep while I work on him. It was so easy getting them to let me use it on them I dont know why Fynn is so scared of it. I am doing exactly what I did with Lillie and Joker. He's used to being groomed and all the stuff show dogs go through. So I know that's not it. He's 8 months old and I really would like to start entering in shows soon with him. Just gotta get those nails down! Kimberly

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• 11-24-2008 8:02 PM

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  Sera_J Joined on 09-10-2007 Western Washington (State) Posts 3,469 Points 830	Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact So is he completely unfood motivated??  Can you make him do other things for food?  If so, just find a higher quality treat and start at a distance, any movement toward it should be rewarded. Have you asked his breeder if he's used to dremels?  in the meantime clip and file them. Lani- Dog.community Moderator Proud Idogger since April 2005
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• 11-24-2008 9:05 PM

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  jennie_c_d Joined on 09-10-2007 Southeast Georgia Posts 11,083 Points 265

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact  Yes, you have to keep his nails super short. It affects the way his feet lay, and the way he gaits.   Put some peanut butter on the fridge, and see if he likes that, LOL. Don't dremel him, just yet. Hold his foot, while he licks it. In a week, set the dremel near him, while he licks it. Then, turn it on, while he licks it. Go slowly, and you'll get there. That's how I had to teach Emma to get her nails done. She had a traumatic nail experience, as a puppy (nail was cut off AT THE FOOT with no pain meds), and she was BAD about it.... I just took it slow, and she's great, now.

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• 11-25-2008 11:46 AM

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  Liesje Joined on 03-02-2007 Posts 9,907 Points 655

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact Not sure how big your pup is, but I did Nikon last night, his first show is next month and this is the first I've cut his nails.  He's about 30lbs now, very strong already.  I let him play around a bit to get tired.  Then I started doing these calming and restraint exercises the breeder showed me, I got him down on his side and was massaging his face to calm him down.  For the past few days, we've worked on me massaging his feet and gripping them tight while I feed him.  Well his nails have become like cat claws so I decided to just do it even though the breeder said it would be more important to acclimate him slowly.  Once he was calmer from the massage, I sat on my butt with my legs out in front of me and pulled him on my lap, so he was sitting on my lap.  I sort of held him and stroked him for a while, working my hands down to his feet and squeezing on them.  There were some struggles but I treated it like our other restraint practice and kept at it.  Eventually I did all his nails, most of them I did twice over b/c I wanted to go shorter, using a cheap dog clipper.  I have a dremmel but can't for the life of me figure it out and I have little patience so I use a clipper on all my dogs (and cats).  DH kept asking me if I wanted him to hold Nikon but honestly it's easier when I do it myself.  DH doesn't hold him tight enough, or holds him too tight in the wrong places.  What prompted our session last night was I was doing rag work with Nikon where I hold his collar while he gets aggitated and then release him to "packen" (bite) and tug.  At one point I grabbed his collar and he turned and bit me, so we need more work on restraint and being touched from behind. http://vankelderdogs.dutchbingo.net http://www.schhmi.com

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• 11-25-2008 11:56 AM

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  rwbeagles Joined on 09-10-2007 DFW, TX Posts 18,380 Points 2,300

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact I put them on the table, put the noose on, and I do their nails. In Cleo's case...I lay her down and do them...since day 1. He will need to be used to being UP on a table for the extensive grooming he will be undergoing at shows...so get the table...get him up there...and do a nail...if you get just one...that's fine...do something he likes first...like combing...then hold his foot then coo at him then flick it with your fingernail and coo at him. Then Dremel it. If you don't stay on top of it, yes it will affect many things and he may need to go under to have them done. Do not let that quick get too long. I do give praise and such but never when they're being turds. Only when I am actually Dremeling...then I sing a song to them...usually Double Dutch Bus. "I'm not looking for absolution, forgiveness for the things I do.."-Walking In My Shoes, Depeche Mode My blog: ryngwrayth.blogspot.com/

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• 11-25-2008 1:00 PM

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  Liesje Joined on 03-02-2007 Posts 9,907 Points 655

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact rwbeagles: I do give praise and such but never when they're being turds.    LOL, yeah I'm a "no pain no gain" kinda person.  I'm not averse to holding an animal down and just hacking them off, lol, my neighbors are probably calling the ACO.  I don't cut their quick and I try to get it done fast.  As soon as it's over I start jumping around squealing and he thinks it was the greates thing ever.  First time I tried it, didn't work b/c I wasn't prepared for how hard a 10 week old can struggle!  Last night I let him play till tired, then did the massage and restraint exercises and after that it was not too difficult even with no helper and my cheap clippers. http://vankelderdogs.dutchbingo.net http://www.schhmi.com

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• 11-25-2008 7:44 PM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 11,397 Points 595

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact Liesje: but I did Nikon last night, his first show is next month and this is the first I've cut his nails Pardon my blonde moment. Nikon in a show? Wow, he must be learning fast. Is it some kind of working dog show? If I remember, he's from working lines. Or this maybe too OT to ask. The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb

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• 11-25-2008 9:40 PM

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  Liesje Joined on 03-02-2007 Posts 9,907 Points 655	Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact moved to the conformation forum http://vankelderdogs.dutchbingo.net http://www.schhmi.com
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• 11-26-2008 6:17 AM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 11,397 Points 595

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact Well, good luck. I just never thought of shows for a dog to be in unless they were already close to a year old. Primarily because of how long I might expect obedience training to take to the point of being CGC-worthy. But evidently you can show dogs at 3 months. I certainly didn't know that but it's neat to learn new things. The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb

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• 11-26-2008 9:19 AM

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  KarissaKS Joined on 06-01-2007 La Crosse, WI Posts 1,072 Points 795

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact Ron, it's conformation showing, not obedience.    The judges are very lenient with the puppies and don't expect pristine & perfect behavior from them.  It's good to get puppies in the ring at an early age so that they get used to the environment. Luke -- Lab/Shepherd (1-1-04) Elite Versatility, O-EAC, ECC, O-EJC, S-TN-E, O-TG-E, WV-E, HP-E Kaiser (CH'PR' Alasco's Kvichak) -- Alaskan Klee Kai (12-30-07) TBAD, TG1

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• 11-26-2008 10:24 AM

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  Liesje Joined on 03-02-2007 Posts 9,907 Points 655	Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact moved to the conformation forum http://vankelderdogs.dutchbingo.net http://www.schhmi.com
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• 11-26-2008 6:40 PM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 11,397 Points 595

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact KarissaKS: Ron, it's conformation showing, not obedience.    The judges are very lenient with the puppies and don't expect pristine & perfect behavior from them.  It's good to get puppies in the ring at an early age so that they get used to the environment. Actually, it makes sense to get them in shows as early as possible to get used to the environment. I had just assumed there would be more obedience before then. As Liese says, there are some antics going on that one would not see at later shows. The only thing that confuses me is the conformation. When I think of conformation, I can't help but think of AKC-like shows where in the dog needs to fit within physical dimensions, coloration, etc. And again, I just imagined that obedience would be judge-worthy too, even if not perfect. As you can tell, I don't know enough about it to be dangerous.   The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb

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• 11-26-2008 6:45 PM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 11,397 Points 595

  Re: I need nail help.(kle1986) Reply Contact Liesje: Differences in temperament become evident b/c there is gun fire, loud crowds that scream and rattle toys at the dogs, a ring full of 50 dogs literally running up each others' backs, etc.  It's clear when a dog is very soft or nervy, they do not show well at all. Actually, I can understand that. Is the conformation, then, more along the lines of temperment and general structure, as in a good frame that is quick and agile? And, if so, let us hope that there is a tendency to get away from a dramatic rear slope. I've seen some dogs hobbled by it. Is all this something of a precursor to a temperment test and a BH test? It certainly can have as many details as other breeding. For example, I read that one should, in getting a puppy with a SCH future, examine the temperment and or SCH titles of the parents. Even, I suppose, how many of the pups in a given litter have stable temperment.  Which I think is good. I think dogs should be bred for temperment and workability, in that order, rather than an exact physical dimension or a cosmetic effect.   The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb

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