Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up!

• 08-31-2008 9:43 AM

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  rwbeagles Joined on 09-10-2007 DFW, TX Posts 18,379 Points 2,300

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact hey Auburn...when I am addressing your post I will quote it. I was not in this case...so perhaps your are getting upset for no reason. I have been reading at length what people are saying about this woman and THEY are who I am speaking about. If I was speaking to you personally you can trust I'd be brave enough to leave no doubt. Let's not forget that this site attaches posts to the LAST ONE IN LINE regardless when you hit the generic reply button so maybe you are jumping the proverbial gun just a tad here. "I'm not looking for absolution, forgiveness for the things I do.."-Walking In My Shoes, Depeche Mode My blog: ryngwrayth.blogspot.com/

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• 08-31-2008 9:55 AM

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  Truley Joined on 08-27-2006 Louisville, Ky Posts 2,263 Points 190

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact I had the same thoughts Gina. The hubby and I commented on several things. He picked a woman with little experience, which suggests to me a few things: 1.) that women will blindly follow and vote for a woman because she is on the ticket, that we are not bright enough to understand how things are.Sorry but we are smarter than that, honestly we are. 2.) Should something happen to him here is a woman to take his place! Once again im sorry, but she overall, has in my opinion, just as much if not less experience than Obama, I really do not want her as the take over as president should something happen to McCain. (and I pray that there are enough intelligent people out there that neither canidate has to worry about that, I wish no one ill feelings) 3.) What happened to his stratagy on knocking Obama's experience? To me he just painted himself into a corner on that topic, it is now null and void. I honestly, and with nothing agaist McCain, feel that if you have to be 35 to run for president there should be a cuttoff for when you cannot run. He is to old, he is to old school, he married money. He has NOTHING in common with the people. I have nothing agaist the first George as president, but W. was the wrong choice for america and it's people. More jobs have been lost overseas, we had a surplus and it's gone and we as a country, are at war and hurting. Do you really want more of the same? We are facing a predicted colder and wetter than normal winter, rising prices on gas, oil and heating, even electric has gone up. I do NOT want anyone in the office that is tied/married to oil or corporation america. They do not to me, have our best interest at heart. Just my 2 cents.

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• 08-31-2008 10:15 AM

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  sillysally Joined on 09-10-2007 Indiana Posts 3,826 Points 45

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact Truley: I honestly, and with nothing agaist McCain, feel that if you have to be 35 to run for president there should be a cuttoff for when you cannot run. He is to old, he is to old school, he married money. He has NOTHING in common with the people. I do NOT want anyone in the office that is tied/married to oil or corporation america. They do not to me, have our best interest at heart. Just my 2 cents.     So McCain doesn't have anything in common with the people, but Palin does have something in common (husband is a blue collar worker) but it's not the right thing?  Once again, it's a no win situation.  As someone who has an oil worker in the family, I think it's offensive to assume that some one who works for an oil company does not want the best for our country.  Many, many ordinary people are employed by the oil industry--none of these people have our best interests at heart?  How could you possibly know that?    It really doesn't matter though, because it seems like the people most annoyed with the pick won't be voting for McCain anyway...  ~Christina~ Sally the Pibble Mix Jack the Lab "Fifteen men on the dead man's chest- Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!"

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• 08-31-2008 10:39 AM

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  spiritdogs Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 11,723 Points 1,020

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact I agree that working for an oil company might not mean that the person does not want the best for the country.  But, when push comes to shove, most people are not that selfless, and vote with their pocketbooks.  It happens from the local level all the way up.  So, to ignore that fact makes little sense, even if you can't paint everyone with a broad brush.  Big oil is very different from the little guy in the overalls and hard hat, too.  I am not convinced that we need executives at this point, who supposedly have such massive *experience*.  Experience does not necessarily mean that the person has learned from the experience.  And, frankly, what we need now is common sense and statesmanship, plus a little good old fashioned "charity begins at home".  Our people are suffering in some cases, and we seem only too glad to blame them for their own suffering and leave them behind, while assuming that every hungry or downtrodden person in a third world country is deserving of the respect we deny our own citizens.  Believe me, we need to shore up the middle class or we will become something other than an example and leader for the world. The so called "greatest generation" was made up of dutiful middle class people for the most part.  What the heck would have happened if they had not been there? Regional Director for Massachusetts, International Positive Dog Training Association Director, SeniorCare Pawsitive Connections Program AKC CGC Evaluator #3669 Therapy Dogs, Inc. Tester/Observer Sioux, CGC, TDInc. Maska, CGC, TDInc. Sequoyah, CGC Fergie, Retired Lap Dog, Age 20 1/2 Dancer, CGC, TDInc. (1989-2006) #1 Heart Dog In memory of Mike, please become an organ donor today. "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them and what you do not know, you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." - Chief Dan George "The fidelity of a dog is a precious gift demanding no less binding moral responsibilities than the friendship of a human being. The bond with a true dog is as lasting as the ties of this earth can ever be." ~ Konrad Lorenz

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• 08-31-2008 11:19 AM

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  Truley Joined on 08-27-2006 Louisville, Ky Posts 2,263 Points 190	Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact I agree with Anne. And that was very well said. I read a time article about Pulin, she seems nice and down to earth, and she may be what we need a little more of, but I can't help but feel she is being used.
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• 08-31-2008 11:34 AM

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  sillysally Joined on 09-10-2007 Indiana Posts 3,826 Points 45

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact Truley: I agree with Anne. And that was very well said. I read a time article about Pulin, she seems nice and down to earth, and she may be what we need a little more of, but I can't help but feel she is being used.     You could say that about any VP candidate on either side though.  Come on--do you really think Obama didn't have his political future in mind when he picked Biden?  Both candidates are picking people who compliment their tickets.  Obama picked a guy who has lots of foreign policy experience--don't tell me that's not a response to criticisms that he is inexperienced with foreign policy.   McCain is accused of being out of touch and a Washington "insider", and therefore has picked someone who is very in touch--she comes from a working class background--she's a mother of a soldier, has taken on her own party in Alaska to put reforms in place, etc.  Yes, she is more conservative than him but the majority of the GOP base does not believe that McCain is conservative enough. Suggesting that Palin was only picked because she was a woman is no different than suggesting that the only reason that Obama was picked was that he is black.  Is that *really* a road we want to go down?  Why can't we pleased to see such a diverse ticket and rejoice in the fact that we have gotten to this point as a country rather than focus on the negative.  Personally, I find Palin to be too conservative for my taste.  There is plenty to take issue with when it comes to her policies and beliefs without bringing her sex into it. ~Christina~ Sally the Pibble Mix Jack the Lab "Fifteen men on the dead man's chest- Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!"

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• 08-31-2008 4:34 PM

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  fuzzy_dogs_mom Joined on 09-10-2007 Davis, CA Posts 8,314 Points 325

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact Excellent posts, Christina and Anne. The VP really doesn't have much power at all - unless the president dies in office and he/she steps in.  This scenario is one that usually doesn't cross anybodys mind until you have a presidential candidate, like McCain, who is getting up  there in years and has major health issues. Then, the prospect of  the VP leading the country becomes a lot more real. If someone is not ready to take on that task, they most definitely should not be VP. Joyce

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• 08-31-2008 10:56 PM

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  OEBulldogge Joined on 08-27-2006 Southern Oregon Posts 45 Points 0

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact BEVOLASVEGAS While my opinion will not be a popular one, I have to say that I am thrilled with McCain's decision to name Palin as his running mate. I am excited by the fact that she has seems to be a gutsy woman who can take care of herself. Seriously, she has called out multiple members of the Republican party for being corrupt. Not many politicians have the guts to do something of that magnitude. I will admit that she is inexperienced. That being said, she still has more executive experience than Obama has. She has been governor of her state for the past two years. Obama has only spent 143 days in the Senate. I think that she will put on quite a show come debate time.   I have to agree with what Amanda said, and the people I know are all thrilled, too!

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• 08-31-2008 11:55 PM

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  nfowler Joined on 09-10-2007 Boise, Idaho Posts 981 Points 140

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact spiritdogs: Our people are suffering in some cases, and we seem only too glad to blame them for their own suffering and leave them behind, while assuming that every hungry or downtrodden person in a third world country is deserving of the respect we deny our own citizens.  Believe me, we need to shore up the middle class or we will become something other than an example and leader for the world. Thank you, Anne. And thank you, too, for pointing out the practice that bothers me nearly more than anything else: Blaming the poor for being poor. It's not a secret that the Bush family is making money off of oil, and that angers me. While I don't dispute the fact that we've become a nation of folks who are quickly adding to the earth's demise,  and while I realize that, as a country, we need to change in order to protect our environment (and I mean as a country, not as a few individuals here and there), I'm so angry (and embarrassed) that a few have heavily profited by Bush being in office for 2 terms while so many more have suffered. I live in Idaho and I know what the average salary is and I see people struggling to buy milk for their children. I see our state Foodbank struggling to help feed the children. I'm so upset.   I will have my fingers crossed through this next election. I hope hope hope that Americans are as disgusted with things as I am. (And I think they are--with Bush's approval rating being on par with past presidents history has not been kind to.) Saving just one dog won't change the world . . . but surely the world will change for that one dog (unknown)

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• 09-01-2008 12:23 AM

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  fuzzy_dogs_mom Joined on 09-10-2007 Davis, CA Posts 8,314 Points 325

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact nfowler:    I will have my fingers crossed through this next election. I hope hope hope that Americans are as disgusted with things as I am. (And I think they are--with Bush's approval rating being on par with past presidents history has not been kind to.) Amen!!  Our county foodbank is really hurting too, but when people can barely afford to feed  their own families, foodbank donations go down accordingly.  So much hinges on the price of gas, and even though it has come down a bit it's still more than a lot of people can afford.  A lot of smaller local businesses are just closing the doors.  In the last month we've lost a couple of restaurants, a car dealership (granted, that one was selling bigger cars/trucks) and a small family owned furniture store chain that started 80+ years ago. I guess when the economy is in the crapper, eating out, buying a new car or replacing old furniture are pretty far down on the list of necessities. I'm really hoping that the country can get back on track with a totally new administration. Joyce

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• 09-01-2008 7:40 AM

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  Myra Joined on 03-24-2007 North Carolina Posts 510 Points 0

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact I think it's very telling that so far Governor Palin has been kept away from any unscripted comments, and from what I can tell hasn't been allowed to leave McCain's side in public.  Apparently they aren't feeling too confident in her ability to immediately step into the role of candidate for VPOTUS.  I suspect if/when they cut her loose from McCain, we'll see Lieberman with her a lot. Laura Bush just had a live interview on CNN.  She came thisclose to claiming that Palin has more experience than any of the three candidates because she's been mayor.  (Of a town who's official website lists it's current population as 6,715 people. )  She also cited Palin's experience with being a mother and her common-sense.  She quickly backtracked when asked directly if she was saying that Palin has more experience than the other three candidates and said that she has "different" experience.  I think that's something everybody can agree on. Myra

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• 09-01-2008 8:22 AM

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  Liesje Joined on 03-02-2007 Posts 9,902 Points 655

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact sillysally: It really doesn't matter though, because it seems like the people most annoyed with the pick won't be voting for McCain anyway...    I'm not really annoyed with the pick (I couldn't care less who he picked), but every time I listen to NPR or turn on the news or something, there's Republican strategists talking about how great the pick is because she's supposedly experienced and she's an outspoken women and now all the upset Hillary supporters will switch to McCain.  It's funny and offensive at the same time.  People are not that dumb, at least I hope not....but these strategists from the Republican party are the ones I'm hearing making these arguments.  I don't like someone else trying to push their agenda by making absurd assumptions about how I think and vote. http://vankelderdogs.dutchbingo.net http://www.schhmi.com

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• 09-01-2008 12:57 PM

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  alieliza Joined on 04-19-2006 Brooklyn, NY Posts 2,963 Points 205

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact Liesje: sillysally: It really doesn't matter though, because it seems like the people most annoyed with the pick won't be voting for McCain anyway...    I'm not really annoyed with the pick (I couldn't care less who he picked), but every time I listen to NPR or turn on the news or something, there's Republican strategists talking about how great the pick is because she's supposedly experienced and she's an outspoken women and now all the upset Hillary supporters will switch to McCain.  It's funny and offensive at the same time.  People are not that dumb, at least I hope not....but these strategists from the Republican party are the ones I'm hearing making these arguments.  I don't like someone else trying to push their agenda by making absurd assumptions about how I think and vote. Well said! To see my gardening blog (patch of earth) or my photos on flickr, please visit my profile.

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• 09-01-2008 1:41 PM

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  rwbeagles Joined on 09-10-2007 DFW, TX Posts 18,379 Points 2,300

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact This new story about her teenage daughter's pregnancy seems challenging to the campaign...one of the challenges of motherhood that if it ever happens here....I am glad I can deal with in anonymnity. Wish her the best with it... ARTICLE "I'm not looking for absolution, forgiveness for the things I do.."-Walking In My Shoes, Depeche Mode My blog: ryngwrayth.blogspot.com/

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• 09-01-2008 2:14 PM

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  fuzzy_dogs_mom Joined on 09-10-2007 Davis, CA Posts 8,314 Points 325

  Re: Palin & Polar Bears - Jeano, speak up! Reply Contact rwbeagles: This new story about her teenage daughter's pregnancy seems challenging to the campaign...one of the challenges of motherhood that if it ever happens here....I am glad I can deal with in anonymnity. Wish her the best with it... ARTICLE They actually interrupted coverage of Gustav this a.m. with this bit of info.  I just can't understand why anyone would make an issue out of something like this.  Granted, 17 is on the young side for marriage and motherhood, but has she done anything that millions of other girls haven't done? It doesn't strike me as a "big news" item. Joyce

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