You know your a BYB breeder when.......

• 07-18-2008 7:25 PM

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  DumDog Joined on 04-02-2007 North Florida Posts 4,514 Points 205

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact lol Ron, move off that box so i can stand on it now! yes i agree.... BYBs (at least the one related to me) doesnt care about the well being and health of the litter and is down right pissy when a litter is "a waste of time" the two pups i took in likely died of hook worms. i recognise the signs and symptoms NOW! -... after the fact I talked to a vet who was more than informative! - i wish i had known then what i know now! those pups might have lived *********  BYB Cuz believed you cant worm a bitch while she's pregnant. Has to be before breeding or after weaning. Vet said, after rolling his eyes and sighing, yes you can... only danger is it wont work.... and you have to reworm with something more expensive that DOES work. BYB Cuz believed you cant worm pups until they are weaned - hence why she lost an entire litter of 10 at the age of two weeks.... Vet said .... again after sighing and looking morbid .... if you DONT worm them at two weeks.... they'll be so infested with worms and die slow painful deaths....   i've passed on that info to her and boy did she look shame-faced.... but perked right up when she informed me that her other shepherd his pregnant now.   which brings us to another sign that you are a BYB  Breeding a white shepherd from an unknown background to a "Mahogany and Black" shepherd would be worth it just to see what the pups look like.....     Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves.

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• 07-20-2008 12:33 PM

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  dgriego Joined on 05-19-2007 New Mexico Posts 1,794 Points 1,100

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact RidgebackGermansShep: ...when you ask a random dog owner if they want to breed. No joke, i've been asked to breed both my boys. A VET even asked if i would breed Wyatt. I told her he's not breeding quality, sorry. I was asked to breed Kaiser at a farmers market, the lady also had a black GSD  Yes, I was asked for breeding rights to Hektor, the party asking had one of those "rare" blue pits and did not seem to care that: 1. Hektor was not a PB 2. He only has one testicle 3. He is not a good example of his breed having a pink nose and pink around his eyes (and the one testicle) 4. I was not willing to breed even though I was offered the "pick of the litter".    Needless to say it was shortly after that conversation that Hektor went in and had his testciles removed. Owned by: Gunnar the Bee Eating Vizsla and Hektor the Pig Dawg Dogo Argentino "I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. ..." -- Barack Obama

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• 07-20-2008 1:25 PM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 10,240 Points 505

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact DumDog: Breeding a white shepherd from an unknown background to a "Mahogany and Black" shepherd would be worth it just to see what the pups look like I think I am aware that a white GSD is not standard and I didn't know that there was a "Mahogany and Black." I barely know that there are different breed lines and even a difference between european GSDs and american ones. But yeah, I've heard people around here talk about rednose Pits as if it were a prized effect in a dog. No thought to temperment of the dogs, just the colors and what the litter might look like. I suppose that I should like hanging around such rednecks because I feel so smart in comparison to them but it's a hollow victory, like entering a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Where is the sport in that?   The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb

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• 07-21-2008 3:47 PM

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  fitzfids Joined on 03-16-2006 Shenandoah Valley, VA Posts 118 Points 65

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact The costs are staggering before even starting to breed, just testing for genetic faults and making sure your dog or bitch is a worthy representative of the breed.  Anymore, I tend to stay away from the topic, kind of like religion, with coworkers who have dogs that they are thinking of breeding, "for the miracle of birth" yada, yada, yada......"  I bought a cup of coffee for 2.50 this morning...that is the average now, yet people balk at the price of a decent puppy anymore...why is that?  Everyone I ask still thinks you should be able to get a good dog "with papers" for 300.00......gimme a break..... Michele and the gang, Mauvais Berger Picards "One dog barks at something, the rest bark at him." -- Chinese Proverb

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• 07-21-2008 7:22 PM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 10,240 Points 505

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact I actually saw this where I stopped for gas on the way home. "Lab Puppies AKC $500" A) a true purebred Lab with health and lineage will cost more than that. B) A legit breeder does not stick a sign hand-written with a marks-a-lot on the shoulder of S.H. 289. C) No mention of the breed color. There are three colors and each breed differentiation should be monochromatic, though I've seen Yellows look a little light around the face.   Argh!   The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb

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• 07-22-2008 10:05 AM

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  SalemsMom Joined on 10-19-2007 Western Maryland Posts 787 Points 100

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact RidgebackGermansShep: ...when you ask a random dog owner if they want to breed. 3 people at the park have offered there "stud service" for Cheza. They seem shocked when they find out she is spayed. Yeah, I don't intend to work her with sheep any more then maybe just as a hobby, and she has a screwed up bite. Not to mention, raising a litter of puppies is about the last thing I want to do. I'd rather leave that to someone who knows what they are doing.

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• 07-22-2008 10:26 AM

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  brookcove Joined on 09-10-2007 Semora, North Carolina, USA Posts 4,658 Points 335

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact  People are amazed that all of our highly trained purebred BCs are neutered, except the youngest, and he'll be done when he's mature, or earlier if there is a pressing need.  Our locally famous working Maremmas are also sterile, except again the young one for the same reason. All right, I suspect no one has done this one, though I haven't read all four pages:  "We want our daughter to learn about the hardship of childbirth and babies so she'll abstain from sex when she's older."  They wanted to breed their year old rat terrier that they got from a breeder that they thought, "might be a puppymill, since she seemed to have a lot of litters and puppies and there were buildings with a lot of barking coming from them."  They and a couple relatives bought puppies from different litters, except one pair of littermates, and now they were just waiting on the papers (still!) to "see if they were related" before breeding.  That might be another one - You know you are a BYB if you think conscientious breeding is making sure the parents aren't related. I asked whether everyone was healthy.  "Oh, yes, except our puppy's littermate has something wrong with his leg - he might need surgery later.  But we aren't breeding him.  Tippy is fine."  I explained about luxating patella and how it's strongly genetic, and that Tippy's puppies could have it even though she doesn't, just like many times people babies are like uncles or grandparents rather than parents. How about temperament?  Well, one of the prospective sires was really shy but they were working on that and he's gotten a lot better.  And Tippy is great, of course -  "We hope the puppies will be like her!"  Wishful thinking breeding, that always works. Oh, and did I know anything about skin, maybe something that could be fixed with diet?  Both Tippy and one of the prospective sires had this problem where they lost the hair on their chest.  Tippy's isn't too bad, it only happens around her heat cycles, but "the other dog gets sores and stuff."  I asked where Tippy lost the hair and sure enough, it looked like demodex.  So I explained how every puppy from Tippy would have this condition, although it would only be severe in every puppy if she were mated with the one with that also had demodex. I think I might have gotten through to her, actually.  I don't think they were completely committed to this idea - there's a lot of BYB in our community and probably they were being egged on by them.  Becca Shouse: Irena Farm, Semora, NC Cord, Ted, Gus, Zhi, Maggie, Lynn, Lu, Min and Tully Waiting: Bubo & Ben "We didn't have a phone, and we couldn't call you!" Helen, AIDS orphan. Don't let them die of ignorance - WorldHelp.net "I-Dog Biggest Loser" Official Cheerleader/Mascot Start 09/15/08: 186.4 lbs Current 175.6 lbs

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• 07-23-2008 7:04 PM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 10,240 Points 505

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact fitzfids: Everyone I ask still thinks you should be able to get a good dog "with papers" for 300.00 Notice how they never mention what "papers." Shadow has "papers." A purchase receipt from the pet store where he was bought. An instruction sheet for puppies, a record of his first vacc's. Since then, to his file, I have added a paper for his neuter op and a paper each time he gets his vacc updated (which is due next month). We have 3-year rabies protocol so it will be next year before I have to change his rabies tag on his collar. Are those papers? IMO, "papers" are proof of lineage and health certs and it doesn't seem so special any more to have AKC reg. If that's the paper involved, it has lost its importance. The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb

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• 07-23-2008 10:43 PM

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  Spicy_Bulldog Joined on 06-19-2008 Posts 197 Points 350	Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact  I think you know when You advertise Rockwiler pups will be huge guaranteed, giant paws already With Pits A white red nose is a "rare albino" Or using the white as a selling point looks just like a Dogo Argentino but much cheaper. (I'd hope if anyone is interested in that breed it'd be for more then the coat color!)
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• 07-26-2008 8:38 PM

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  lola_joy Joined on 07-16-2008 Charlotte,North Carolina Posts 36 Points 10	Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact When you breed dogs, for the sake of it. " ... work can wait another 30 minutes. There are more important things to do. Like throwing sticks." "Dogs are miracles with paws" "My goal in life,is to be as good as my dog thinks I am."
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• 07-27-2008 10:03 AM

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  l.michelle Joined on 06-15-2007 Ontario, Canada Posts 1,197 Points 20	Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact When the puppy you bought from them dies at 8 months, and you phone to tell them about it in case the disease was hereditary, and they offer you TWO puppies from their newest litter who are 4 weeks old... That's what happened to my family, before I found this lovely site and realized just what BYBs were...
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• 07-27-2008 10:17 AM

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  lola_joy Joined on 07-16-2008 Charlotte,North Carolina Posts 36 Points 10	Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact When you claim, your "Cockapoo" litter has AKC papers and has been registered. " ... work can wait another 30 minutes. There are more important things to do. Like throwing sticks." "Dogs are miracles with paws" "My goal in life,is to be as good as my dog thinks I am."
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• 07-27-2008 10:48 AM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 10,240 Points 505

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact lola_joy: When you claim, your "Cockapoo" litter has AKC papers and has been registered. Amen to that. BYB's make that claim and the uneducated who know nothing about the AKC other than the fact that it stands for American Kennel Club just assume that such a claim means something. And then they shell out good money for an unregisterable mutt. I don't say mutt as an insult. The way I learned, a mix of two purebreed is a mutt. A mix of more than two purebreeds is a mongrel. For example, I'm a mongrel with my varied ancestry, if one were to apply breeding definitions to a human. What's also sad is that there are websites that will create "papers" for whatever dog you have, as if that helps anything.   The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb

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• 07-27-2008 1:42 PM

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  lola_joy Joined on 07-16-2008 Charlotte,North Carolina Posts 36 Points 10

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact ron2: lola_joy: When you claim, your "Cockapoo" litter has AKC papers and has been registered. Amen to that. BYB's make that claim and the uneducated who know nothing about the AKC other than the fact that it stands for American Kennel Club just assume that such a claim means something. And then they shell out good money for an unregisterable mutt. I don't say mutt as an insult. The way I learned, a mix of two purebreed is a mutt. A mix of more than two purebreeds is a mongrel. For example, I'm a mongrel with my varied ancestry, if one were to apply breeding definitions to a human. What's also sad is that there are websites that will create "papers" for whatever dog you have, as if that helps anything.   Excatly. The purebreds now were bred for a purpose. Hunting, protecting, etc. And they were also bred by people who were committed to making a healthy dog that conforms to certain specifications. The "designer" dogs are bred for nothing more than money, by people who have no idea of what the ideal "yokie or labradoodle" will look like. There is no consensus to these BYB who are "designing" these dogs. If you also do research you will see that theses designer dogs are not being bred from high quality parents. They are not having the proper genetic tests done on them. Many of these dogs end up unhealthy, over bred, and in pounds because they are touted as something that they are not. " ... work can wait another 30 minutes. There are more important things to do. Like throwing sticks." "Dogs are miracles with paws" "My goal in life,is to be as good as my dog thinks I am."

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• 07-27-2008 5:48 PM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 10,240 Points 505

  Re: You know your a BYB breeder when....... Reply Contact lola_joy: If you also do research you will see that theses designer dogs are not being bred from high quality parents. They are not having the proper genetic tests done on them. Many of these dogs end up unhealthy, over bred, and in pounds because they are touted as something that they are not. Agreed, too. Once, at the Dallas SPCA, I saw a Labradoodle who was way taller than standard for either and he was barky and a bit defensive and smelled to high heaven. How's that for a sweet disposition and hypoallergenic. More than likely, the hapless humans who bought him originally found that they now have a dog that sheds constantly (from the Lab) and has to be sheared and groomed (from the Poodle) and still needs training because dogs are not born being Lassie. And, because most mixed breeds are not created with gene charts and health histories in mind, there could be some genetic problems causing temperment problems, etc. Breeding is science and some of the most reponsible dog people I have known don't breed at all. A lady I know has a Yellow Lab with generations of show winners in each parent. The dog herself is exemplary. Perfect in conformation, sweet and softhearted and lets kids climb all over her. Is a CGC and a therapy dog. And is spayed, never having been bred. Sometimes, good breeding means not breeding, even if you own a champion worthy dog. The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb

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