Forum Post

What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

Last post 05-11-2008 11:25 AM by smilee1079. 17 replies.
Page 1 of 2 (18 items) 1 2 Next >
Sort Posts: Previous Next
  • 05-06-2008 5:29 PM

    What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    Reason i ask, i have my 1yr old Nova Scotia/Golden ret doing great on Innova Large Breed puppy food for the last 3-4mnths except he sheds terribly, and his coats not as silky soft as I expected it to be.

    I've always been fond of Naturapet products, but I don't like their listed ingredient of *natural flavor* - rather then just disclosing what it is, also although i like their idea of added vegetables, etc, i can feed those fresh with better results. I'm thinking cost per dollar perhaps the Canidae has better nutrients, as their food ingredients seem more dense??  Seems on testimonials for Waggintails.com the Canidae has far more comments of being liked.

    I'm spending $60/33# bag of Innova lrge breed whereas the Canidae would be around $40-45 for 40# bag

    I can't find Healthwise products locally, and I'm not too fond of many other companies just because there are so many scares lately regarding ingredient quality.

    Currently owned by:
    Kuaui (chihuahua/Dat); Missy & Dakota (pomeranians); Rivers (NSDTR/Golden mix)
    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-06-2008 6:16 PM In reply to stanton

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

     

    I've fed Canidae for years.  I feed the basenjis 50-75% Canidae with the rest % being Evo and home cooked muttloaf.  The malinois only gets Canidae and some muttloaf (she has digestive issues when she eats too much fat in her diet, so i feel evo would be too rich).  I have an 11 year old basenji who is still active in agility and a 10 year old basenji, both look much younger than their years.  However, I also add salmon oil to their evening meals since **my** feeling is that any dry dog food lacks oils and I live in a dry climate.
    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-06-2008 9:15 PM In reply to agilebasenji

    • ottoluv
    • Top 50 Contributor
    • Joined on 11-27-2006
    • So Cal
    • Posts 2,821
    • Points 520

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    Which natura pet product has "natural flavor" listed on the ingredients? I haven't seen that.


    Here I am stuck in the middle with you
    I practice societal sanctioned assault

    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-06-2008 9:23 PM In reply to ottoluv

    • tzu_mom
    • Top 500 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-10-2007
    • midwest
    • Posts 514
    • Points 0

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    I think Naturapet includes "natural flavors" in almost all of their products.  From their website:

    Natural Flavors   

    Natural flavors are minimally processed flavor ingredients that do not contain synthetic or artificial components.

    In the Natura products that include "natural flavor" in the formula, the exact composition is proprietary. However, it is always made from the same animal species on which the formula is based. For example, the "natural flavor" used in the original EVO formula contains a reduction of chicken meat - much the same process as is employed to create a chicken stock in your home kitchen.

     

    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-06-2008 9:27 PM In reply to tzu_mom

    • ottoluv
    • Top 50 Contributor
    • Joined on 11-27-2006
    • So Cal
    • Posts 2,821
    • Points 520

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    Hmmm, it doesn't say it on the bag I have now, what gives?.


    Here I am stuck in the middle with you
    I practice societal sanctioned assault

    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-06-2008 9:32 PM In reply to ottoluv

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

     Natura gives details under the product "Ingredients" - you can see it here for example:
    Innova Senior Plus

    Natural flavors are minimally processed flavor ingredients that do not contain synthetic or artificial components.
    In the Natura products that include "natural flavor" in the formula, the exact composition is proprietary. However, it is always made from the same animal species on which the formula is based. For example, the "natural flavor" used in the original EVO formula contains a reduction of chicken meat - much the same process as is employed to create a chicken stock in your home kitchen.

    I checked with several manufacturers, and they all use a process like this for "natural flavoring" - often it's based on dehydrated chicken liver, but I guess other protein sources might be used as well.

    Merrick's new dry food (B.G.) would be one such example: they use venison flavoring in all their formulas.

    Britta and the fussy toy poodles


    Smilla-Sven-sig
    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-06-2008 10:30 PM In reply to FussyPoodles

    • brookcove
    • Top 50 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-10-2007
    • Semora, North Carolina, USA
    • Posts 3,763
    • Points 335

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    Venison?  That's kinda . . .weird.  I never thought of venison as being particularly attractive in terms of flavor.  We feed it all the time and the dogs are kind of "meh" about it.  Lamb is definitely their favorite - both raw and cooked.  Good thing, huh?

    Becca Shouse
    Maggie and Zhi (queen bees), Ben, Gus, Cord, Rocky, Ted (BCs), Lu and Tully (Maremma flock guardians)
    Irena Farm, Semora, NC

    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-06-2008 11:07 PM In reply to ottoluv

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    ottoluv:
    Which natura pet product has "natural flavor" listed on the ingredients? I haven't seen that.

     It's listed on the bags of the Large breed puppy formula....I have read their description of the natural flavor definition, what i don't understand is why they don't just say *chicken flavor* or something of that nature if that's for sure what it is....again, I'm not against feeding naturapet products, and i am by NO means degrading the company, in reality, i believe they are one of the best companies.

    What I'm trying to decide is what everyone's feelings are towards Canidae after the recent discussions involving their ALS formula, if feelings are negative, I will stay with Naturapet products as they are the only 2 companies I feel I can trust.

    Also, it's getting to where i can't really afford the Innova at $60/33# bag, whereas Canidae is $40-45/40# bag.

    thanks for any opinions

    Currently owned by:
    Kuaui (chihuahua/Dat); Missy & Dakota (pomeranians); Rivers (NSDTR/Golden mix)
    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-07-2008 12:00 AM In reply to brookcove

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    brookcove:

    Venison?  That's kinda . . .weird.  I never thought of venison as being particularly attractive in terms of flavor.  We feed it all the time and the dogs are kind of "meh" about it.  Lamb is definitely their favorite - both raw and cooked.  Good thing, huh?


     

    Good thing if you're farming sheep, for sure Big Smile 

    I just got a bag of the Merrick B.G. chicken formula, and it's the first time I've seen my dogs treat a kibble like actual candy. They wouldn't touch TOTW ... they don't like TW ... ho hum about all Natura products, and they eat everything else erratically. The only dry food they have been consistently positive about so far is the CORE range. But the Merricks they would snatch out of my hands (if they weren't so well behaved *g*) anytime, anywhere. That's a breakthrough experience here in FussyPoodle land.
    That doesn't mean it's a good food of course ... it just means there's something about it they find irresistible. Since my two dogs have rather different tastebuds, it's quite interesting that they both home in on this particular kibble. 

    Whether it's the venison flavor in particular that excites them I can't say. There must be more to it. The smell already gets them salivating.
    Sadly, it's the venison flavor that's giving me headaches because I suspect my boy may be intolerant of venison. Sad

    To bring this back to the Canidae topic ...: I have tried and tried, over a couple of years, to get them used to eating a bit of Canidae. No dice. They simply do not like it. Canidae is the only quality holistic kibble that's imported into New Zealand so this is particularly frustrating. The strange thing is that I have offered the Canidae to neighbours/friends whose dogs I know will eat absolutely anything ... and all the dogs refused the Canidae (not just from one bag I hasten to add - and the few times my dogs have eaten some there has been absolutely no problem). Weird, eh?

    I have to say that of all the kibbles that have come and gone here, the Canidae I would rate as one with the least attractive smell/aroma. It sort of reminded me a little of a bag of Diamond kibble (Nutragold) I once got; a smell I can only describe as a little 'sour'. I have always suspected Canidae contains a fair amount of alfalfa meal, and I'm pretty sure my guys don't go for that. I also think that's the ingredient that helps to produce that 'Canidae poop' (my term) - a firm, slightly dry tootsie roll.

    Britta and the fussy toy poodles


    Smilla-Sven-sig
    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-07-2008 12:41 AM In reply to stanton

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    My opinion is that it seems like Canidae has a slight edge over the Natura products for you and your family of dogs--it fits better into your budget, the dogs all do well, you like the company, etc.  So, for these reason I'd say go back to it for awhile, they've had the Innova for awhile now anyway, right?  So, go back to Canidae for a time.  Also, there has been no bad press regarding quality control to my knowledge either if that is what is worrying you.

    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-07-2008 12:50 AM In reply to willowchow

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    So, there have been no sick dogs recently from eating the Canidae? i'm asking this in regards to the information taken in by a recent thread in the *food recall* forum

    I've never fed Canidae personally before, but have highly researched them out over a year ago for my sister and aunt's dogs, as none of them did very well on different foods but are doing great on Canidae.

     thanks for the input...typing this with 2 broken fingers, so sorry for grammer errors.

    Currently owned by:
    Kuaui (chihuahua/Dat); Missy & Dakota (pomeranians); Rivers (NSDTR/Golden mix)
    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-07-2008 11:01 AM In reply to stanton

    • KarissaKS
    • Top 500 Contributor
    • Joined on 06-01-2007
    • La Crosse, WI
    • Posts 583
    • Points 795

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    For me, the higher price of Innova Evo (I feed RM, which is even MORE expensive!) is negated by the fact that I feed less of it.  Luke only gets fed 2 cups a day of the Evo -- I have to feed at least twice that with other foods that are less calorie-dense and have more "fillers."  Because a bag of Evo lasts longer, I figure the price difference is a wash.


    Luke -- Lab/Shepherd (1-1-04)
    Kaiser -- Alaskan Klee Kai (12-30-07)
    Sar -- Arabian gelding (4-11-80)
    Norman -- Percheron/TB gelding (6-18-00)
    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-07-2008 1:02 PM In reply to KarissaKS

    • brookcove
    • Top 50 Contributor
    • Joined on 09-10-2007
    • Semora, North Carolina, USA
    • Posts 3,763
    • Points 335

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    KarissaKS:

    For me, the higher price of Innova Evo (I feed RM, which is even MORE expensive!) is negated by the fact that I feed less of it.  Luke only gets fed 2 cups a day of the Evo -- I have to feed at least twice that with other foods that are less calorie-dense and have more "fillers."  Because a bag of Evo lasts longer, I figure the price difference is a wash.

     

    This is absolutely true - however, you also have to figure in what is best for an individual dog.  What is unneeded fillers to one dog, may be soluble and insoluble fiber that is vital to another dog's gi health.  The needs of a dog also change over time.  Whereas my Ben needed carbs to keep weight on, as late as just six months ago, he now does best on a carb free diet and is an "easy keeper."  Some dogs increase their need for prebiotics as they age (these include inulin supplements such as chicory, and soluble fibers).

    Canidae is one tool in my arsenal for transitioning dogs on less-than-ideal diets to premium foods.  The Platinum is easy to digest and has tons of prebiotics and a high level of probiotics.  The last few dogs I've gotten have been on excellent foods before arriving, so I haven't used it in several months, so I can't relate any recent experiences.  But I wouldn't hesitate to feed it again if needed.

    Becca Shouse
    Maggie and Zhi (queen bees), Ben, Gus, Cord, Rocky, Ted (BCs), Lu and Tully (Maremma flock guardians)
    Irena Farm, Semora, NC

    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-07-2008 6:47 PM In reply to brookcove

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    I truly understand what you're saying in regards towards the price of the food that fullfills the overall needs of the animal versus a cheaper food that may not fill his needs, or in fact may be better for him.

    Innova large breed puppy has 50% carbohydrates, quite a bit more then other actual adult based foods, even Innova regular adult food, my point is, I don't feel the need to pay $15-20 more for a higher carb diet.....I will finish off the bag he is currently on, and start him on Innova adult food which is $10 cheaper in price and perhaps may need to feed less.

    I'm not overly concerned with amount of food he's eating, he only eats 2 cups a day...my concern is the food is not delivering what I expected...he sheds a LOT, always acts hungry, but not in begging or ill-behavor kind of way, he's not losing weight, but just doesn't act like the food is doing it for him. If it were, I would not question price at all, my dogs eat better then I do.

     

    Currently owned by:
    Kuaui (chihuahua/Dat); Missy & Dakota (pomeranians); Rivers (NSDTR/Golden mix)
    • Post Points: 0
  • 05-08-2008 4:02 PM In reply to stanton

    Re: What's the new feelings of feeding Canidae???

    i've fed canidae for probably about 2 years. I have been very happy with it so far. It's the only food that has been good for both of the dogs.




    "Eat, drink, and be merry...for tomorrow we die..."
    - Dave Matthews Band
    • Post Points: 0
Page 1 of 2 (18 items) 1 2 Next >
 
 
Contact Us | Help | Rules & Conduct | Privacy Policy | Terms & Conditions | About Us
Copyright 2007, PetsUnited LLC