Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question????

• 05-06-2008 9:52 PM

  In reply to Mechanical Angel

  BlackLabbie Joined on 01-27-2008 South of Boston Posts 967 Points 165

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact Mechanical Angel: No I WILL do all the neccesary testing. Where would you get off thinking I wouldn't??? I must've missed where you posted the testing you plan on doing before you breed... The only post I saw were the ones with you saying you wanted to breed you female because she's blonde and has the greatest personality to a male that has displayed aggression.

  Post Points: 0

• 05-07-2008 1:25 AM

  In reply to Mechanical Angel

  GypsyNBeau Joined on 11-30-2006 missouri Posts 328 Points 10

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact BlackLabbie: What happens if the pup has a genetic defect? Like, molera? And then the dog is bought by a family and is OK for a while, then dies due the the genetic defect that you chose not to test either parents for....What are you going to do then? Just say "oops! sorry!"... Just wanted to point out so no one gets confused, but a molera is not a genetic defect in Chis.  It is perfectly normal.    But otherwise, good thought. Mechanical Angel: It says in reply to at the top of the post. That means Im replying to their last post. It wouldnt hurt you to read it. After you hit the "Reply" button, on the next page you have to click on "Quote" in order to have the quotes you are responding to show up in your post.

  Post Points: 0

• 05-07-2008 9:30 AM

  In reply to GypsyNBeau

  glenmar Joined on 09-10-2007 Northwestern Michigan Posts 11,375 Points 405

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact Mechanical Angel: It says in reply to at the top of the post. That means Im replying to their last post. It wouldnt hurt you to read it. Ouch. So is rudeness really necessary? I find thes multiple posts without reference very confusing myself. And, some of us don't have unlimited time to go back hunting for someones last post........ I answered your original question pages ago, to the best of my ability, so I'll not say more. A house without fur is not a home. Glenda

  Post Points: 0

• 05-07-2008 2:51 PM

  In reply to GypsyNBeau

  BlackLabbie Joined on 01-27-2008 South of Boston Posts 967 Points 165

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact GypsyNBeau: BlackLabbie: What happens if the pup has a genetic defect? Like, molera? And then the dog is bought by a family and is OK for a while, then dies due the the genetic defect that you chose not to test either parents for....What are you going to do then? Just say "oops! sorry!"... Just wanted to point out so no one gets confused, but a molera is not a genetic defect in Chis.  It is perfectly normal.    But otherwise, good thought. Sorry, I don't know too much about Chi's (never owned one) specifically, wasn't 100% sure or not if this was genetic....I just heard they can easily die from this.

  Post Points: 0

• 05-07-2008 4:02 PM

  In reply to Mechanical Angel

  Chuffy Joined on 12-17-2006 UK Posts 5,163 Points 10

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact Mechanical Angel: It says in reply to at the top of the post. That means Im replying to their last post. It wouldnt hurt you to read it.   We can see who you are replying to yes.  But we can't see WHAT you are replying to.  We only see one half of a dialogue.  There's no need to be sniffy about it.  Regardless of the fact that I can see "In reply to..." at the top, I have been mystified on several occasions, because your words were meaningless on their own.  Sure it wouldn't hurt me to go hunting for that persons post that your message seems to fit to, but frankly that would be onerous and time consuming.  Which is presumably why we HAVE the quote button.... Anyway, in response to the original post, I can't say it any better than janet rose did on the previous page.  I think I did OK to last 15 rounds - sorry - pages - but I think it's all been said now....  "Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." (Pratchett, Jingo) "I used to look at [my dog] Smokey and think, 'If you were a little smarter you could tell me what you were thinking,' and he'd look at me like he was saying, 'If you were a little smarter, I wouldn't have to.'" - Fred Jungclaus

  Post Points: 0

• 05-07-2008 5:27 PM

  In reply to DPU

  Mechanical Angel Joined on 04-24-2008 Posts 263 Points 100	Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact Anyone was wrong if they responded to other people instead of me and stuck barb wire in them for something they said. Army wives is the best show ever!!!!!!!
  	Post Points: 0

• 05-07-2008 5:30 PM

  In reply to Mechanical Angel

  erica1989 Joined on 02-21-2007 Clearwater, Florida Posts 2,483 Points 190

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact uh... this is a public forum discussion.... it's open for all discussion, between all members, not just the OP. If you want to have a private conversation with someone, send them a message! When you post something here, you're bound to get all sorts of opinions and responses, not all of which may be directed with you. When you put a bunch of animal-passionate people together, you're going to get a variety of respnoses, some of which you may not agree with. How can we educate people, if we aren't allowed to respond to them? I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just not sure why you have such a problem with everyone talking to eachother on here....

  Post Points: 0

• 05-07-2008 5:31 PM

  In reply to Chuffy

  Mechanical Angel Joined on 04-24-2008 Posts 263 Points 100	Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact I am truly sorry about that. Ill do my best to qoute now. Army wives is the best show ever!!!!!!!
  	Post Points: 0

• 05-08-2008 4:15 AM

  In reply to Mechanical Angel

  janet_rose Joined on 09-10-2007 DFW area, Texas Posts 3,607 Points 330

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact Mechanical Angel: Anyone was wrong if they responded to other people instead of me and stuck barb wire in them for something they said.  The rules of this forum allow people to respond to posters other than the OP and to disagree with each other very strongly.  However, posters who are rude or insulting do violate the forum rules. If a poster (including the OP) wants to charge someone with breaking the forum rules (being "wrong"?), s/he needs to quote the text to which s/he is objecting and to explain why.  The word "wrong" isn't really very descriptive in this context. The OP defines the subject of the thread and may object if the thread goes off subject.  Other than that the OP has no power (that I know of) to define their own rules for the thread.

  Post Points: 0

• 05-08-2008 5:42 AM

  In reply to janet_rose

  Benedict Joined on 05-30-2006 England Posts 5,083 Points 770

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact janet_rose: If a poster (including the OP) wants to charge someone with breaking the forum rules (being "wrong"?), s/he needs to quote the text to which s/he is objecting and to explain why.  The word "wrong" isn't really very descriptive in this context.     Actually, no.  If one member thinks another has broken a rule, that's what the "Report Abuse" link at the bottom of every post is for.  Who broke what rule, when, where and why are not appropriate subjects for public discussion. janet_rose: The OP defines the subject of the thread and may object if the thread goes off subject.  Other than that the OP has no power (that I know of) to define their own rules for the thread.     That part is, in general, true.   Kate - Dog.community Administrator Jokers to the right.

  Post Points: 0

• 05-08-2008 6:06 PM

  In reply to Benedict

  Mechanical Angel Joined on 04-24-2008 Posts 263 Points 100	Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact   I didn't mean you couldnt reply to each other just dont stick barb wire in other people. Army wives is the best show ever!!!!!!!
  	Post Points: 0

• 05-09-2008 9:17 AM

  In reply to Mechanical Angel

  glenmar Joined on 09-10-2007 Northwestern Michigan Posts 11,375 Points 405

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact   But, that's what the report abuse button is for. Then a moderator or administrator will make the determination if it is in fact rude or personal.  We as members don't get to make that determination, other than to perhaps point out that folks are getting snarky.  But, in general, WE do not get to determine the tone or what is posted even when we start a thread.  This is why we have moderators and administrators who volunteer their time to get griped at. A house without fur is not a home. Glenda

  Post Points: 0

• 05-09-2008 9:28 AM

  In reply to glenmar

  rwbeagles Joined on 09-10-2007 DFW, TX Posts 14,538 Points 2,025	Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact Back to topic please...that's a Moderator request. Discussions of how and when to use Report and how threads are usually found to run should be discussed in the OUR COMMUNITY section. Thanks! Gina H. dog.community Moderator "But my dreams...they aren't as empty, as my conscience seems to be."-The Who
  	Post Points: 0

• 05-24-2008 10:28 AM

  In reply to janet_rose

  beth82 Joined on 09-10-2007 Dallas, TX Posts 271 Points 0

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact   janet_rose: Can anyone reading this thread give statistics on the frequency of occurrence of the various whelping complications? I know this is an old thread, but this question interested me, so I went looking for information. Here are a few studies related to problems with whelping and puppy mortality:   http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002&PID=2684 "Dystocia in the bitch is a common cause for veterinary consultation. The frequency of dystocia in the dog population is unknown, but is probably <5%, although in some breeds this figure may be as high as 50-100%." (Dystocia means abnormal or difficult birth.)   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17187641?ordinalpos=7&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum "Between 1995 and 2002, 3894 (2%) of 195,931 Swedish bitches included in the study had a reimbursed insurance claim for dystocia. The overall incidence rate of dystocia was 5.7 cases/ 1000 dog years at risk. Some breeds like the Scottish terrier were at increased risk of dystocia. Among bitches with dystocia, 63.8% were treated by CS."    http://www.actavetscand.com/content/49/S1/S2 "The rate of stillbirth and neonatal death is known to be relatively high in dogs. The few studies that has been published indicate a mortality of 17–30% within the first 8 weeks of life [1-6]. Stillbirth and death within the first week post partum was responsible for the majority of the puppy losses in these studies." "An average of 0.8 puppies per litter (10.9%) were stillborn" "During the first 3 weeks of life, the mortality rate of live born puppies was 6.9% (n = 45; 23 males and 22 females), of which the majority (64%) died within the first 3 days."   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10490080  "22% of the puppies died before reaching 7 weeks old. Stillbirth was the most frequent cause of death, followed by infection."    I could not find anything about percentages of the different causes for dystocia.

  Post Points: 0

• 05-24-2008 10:55 AM

  In reply to beth82

  amstaffy Joined on 09-10-2007 Pennsylvania, USA Posts 1,843 Points 340

  Re: Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question???? Reply Contact I won't quote statistics..I will quote actual experiences... From my last Am Staff litter in Sept= Emergency c-section,$955.00 after 4 hours of labor that produced on big puppy(dead) four more pups survived, one of the four had a closed rectum. $265.00 later and hopes of surgery to correct the the fistula we lost the pup before he was old enough for surgery and after our attachment to him for the special care we were giving him. Only reason I did this breeding was for a new show male. Two pups were given away to great homes and I have one girl here who was supposed to go to another home that backed out.  Frenchie litter 3 years ago, pup developed an eye infection before eyes opened $320.00  Previous Am Staff litter, resesitated pup born purple, went on to be a show dog, my first bred-by champion-died of cancer complications at four another Am Staff litter lost pups to herpes another Am Staff litter produced dogs that were moderatly displastic Everytime you breed a litter you take the chance to losing pups and the bitch. I've been very fortunate but my friends have not been so fortunate, several have lost entire litters and several bitches. I thank the Lord each time we've opened up my Honey in her past three litters that she has come out so well. I can only hope her daughters will do as well.  Breeding isn't for the faint of heart, it brings heart break and misery to those who are unprepared. Get yourself a good mentor for the breed, stock up on a few good breeding books and read them front to back a few times Breeding for professionals Canine Reproduction and Whelping A breeders guide to care of newborn puppies are a few to get you started Don't forget the time, expense and energy that goes into raising a litter for 8-14 weeks. What happens to the pups you don't sell when they are 4 months old? What happens when the puppy buyer can't keep the dog you've sold them? Do you have ability to take back and keep EVERY dog you've produced?   With breeding comes responsibility, are you prepared? Most people aren't which is why questions are not well received here..most times they are questions that should have been known before spot and sally tied...some don't know the meaning of that word either Please Lord if I must lead only one life, let it be at the end of an Am Staff

  Post Points: 0