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Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

Last post 06-19-2008 5:10 PM by Stacita. 10 replies.
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  • 04-02-2008 9:08 PM

    • chelsea_b
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    Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

    Cherokee's 9 1/2...which I guess is kind of "old" for a large-ish dog (she's around 60-65 pounds), but what's freaking me out is up til..maybe a month or two ago? she acted like a much much younger dog. If you could see how she acted without seeing her gray face, I'm sure you'd've guessed she was 4-5, not nearly 10. But now...she moves slower, tires faster, sleeps more, and I just don't know what to think. She's also gained a good bit of weight recently. She's pretty chubby at the moment, and it's not budging much when I cut her food or increase her exercise. Has her age finally caught up with her, or is it more likely a health problem? She just had a full exam with bloodwork in November, and everything came back normal. But I'm thinking I'll find out what her thyroid levels were then, and maybe get it checked again depending (but that's a much bigger deal with Cherokee than it would seem, which is why I'm not rushing her to the vet right this second)... It's just kind of...freaking me out a little. I don't want my dog to be old. Crying

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  • 04-02-2008 9:18 PM In reply to chelsea_b

    Re: Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

    I'd definitely recheck her thyroid. That's what I was thinking when I read slowing down, gained weight. Also, is it possible that she's experiencing some arthritis? Maybe she's slowed because she's sore? Acupuncture probably isn't something she'd do, is it? I know that with Emma, we had to muzzle her, and have two people hold her for about the first... million sessions. Just recently, she started putting her head on my shoulder and standing for it. It was really difficult when she squirmed and tried to bite, though. Acupuncture helps tremendously, if it is arthritis, and she'll tolerate that much handling. 

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  • 04-02-2008 11:18 PM In reply to jennie_c_d

    Re: Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

    I know Cherokee is a handful at the vets BUT the advantage with a TCVM vet (traditional Chinese veterinary medicine) is that first needle in the top of the head often makes them SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ***CHILLED OUT***. 

    I would ask them to do thyroid and send it to Michigan State (it soooo easily could have been missed in November). 

    But acting 'old' -- sleeping more, etc. -- that's lethargy.  Unfortunately it is truly time for a pretty stiff blood panel -- not just a small one, but have them really do at least a senior, or even better a 'super chem' (so they can really have a full range of values to check).

    Look at her gums --are they at all white?  The things you are mentioning can be majorly not good symptoms of a few things and you want to rule them out EARLY.  Let's hope for thyroid -- that can have pretty sudden onset and it sure could fix a bunch of things really easily -- but that stubborn refusal to drop weight -- that's a pretty classic symptom of hypothyroid.

    If you had to choose from a whole List of "bad stuff that can happen" -- thyroid is WAY UP there as things we'd prefer it to be (cos it really ain't no biggie!!)


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  • 04-03-2008 1:33 PM In reply to chelsea_b

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    Re: Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

    I could be wrong, but I'm not sure they even do a thyroid screening when they do routine bloodwork. Regardless though, a full thyroid panel would be the place to start. I saw with my own eyes what a difference being hypothyroid made in Sassy. She's actually put on several pounds again over the last few months, so we'll be checking her thyroid values again soon to see if the meds need to be adjusted. As Callie indicated, treating hypothyroidism is much easier than some of the other health issues we know of.

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  • 04-07-2008 8:18 PM In reply to chelsea_b

    Re: Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

       Chelsea; Are you certain they did a thyroid panel last November?  I don't think it's included with a senior panel; I think you have to ask for it. Anyway, I agree with the others about getting her thyroid checked as the first step to finding out what's wrong. Hypothyroidism is fairly common with older dogs, and Cherokee has the symptoms. Jessie's about the same age as Cherokee and hasn't slowed down any that we can tell from when she was younger. I would imagine they slow down gradually; what you're describing doesn't seem normal. I'll be sending healing vibes; keep us updated.

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  • 04-13-2008 12:07 AM In reply to jessies_mom

    Re: Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

    Thyroid panels are usually done with whole, untreated blood, which is left to clot and then spun down. Chemistry panels and CBCs are done with different kinds of anticoagulant-treated blood - heparin, citrate, EDTA and the like will mess around with thyroid values and a few other endocrine values in general. And since the current canine thyroid tests aren't the most accurate anyway, you want as little messing with the values as possible.

    Therefore they are usually done seperately - i.e. you have to ask for a thyroid check. I work on-call in my school's clinical pathology lab a few times a week and I've made some silly mistakes with running the wrong anticoagulant-treated blood in the wrong machines, and got some SCARY results! "AHHH!! Why isn't this dog dead?! Oh...wait...because I used the wrong tube....woops....." It's amazing how much they can affect certain things.

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  • 04-13-2008 12:34 AM In reply to whtsthfrequency

    Re: Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

    How is she lately?? 

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  • 04-14-2008 8:55 PM In reply to willowchow

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       How's Cherokee doing?

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  • 04-19-2008 4:31 PM In reply to jessies_mom

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    Re: Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

    She's still acting "older" than I'm used to, and still doesn't seem to be losing weight, but she doesn't seem stiff getting up or anything, which was really freaking me out. I got a copy of her bloodwork form November (I did specifically ask for a thyroid test, but they only did T4 and free T4, which really doesn't surprise me..but kind of sucks), and according to Jean Dodds' "normal" levels, she's hypo, though only barely, and not if we call her "geriatric" or "large breed". And her bloodwork from a couple years ago says she's hypo even if we call her geriatric (which she definitely wasn't 2 1/2 years ago) or large breed.

    That's confusing, so here. Dr. Dodds says T4 levels for most dogs should be 2-4 (sighthounds should be 1-3, & geriatrics and "large breeds" should be 1.5-4, I think). Cherokee's in 2005 was 1.4, and in November was 1.88. Antech's "normal" range is 1-4.

    My cat has been having eye issues, so he's been to the vet once a week for the past few weeks, and getting meds several times a day, but when that's all straightened out, I'll take Cherokee in for a thyroid panel sent to Hemopet or Michigan State... My vet hates me. lol.

    Oh yeah, so just as a funny tidbit, I'd met this vet once before Kovu started having problems a few weeks ago, and that was at Cherokee's appt in November. 40 minutes, 6 months ago, and the vet says to me, on sight, "So how's Cherokee?"

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  • 04-20-2008 7:16 PM In reply to chelsea_b

    Re: Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

      Thanks for the update; glad that she's feeling a little better. Chelsea; not to worry you, but like Callie said, it could be other things besides the thyroid, so please don't assume that's the only thing that could be causing her to act differently. I'll be sending healing thoughts; please keep us updated.

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  • 06-19-2008 5:10 PM In reply to chelsea_b

    • Stacita
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    Re: Acting "old" kind of suddenly?

    This may be completely off track but I had the same symptoms with Tasha an eight year old Golden/Chow. Tasha had always enjoyed good health, and had had a full physical a few months before. 

    But.... she just seemed as if she was in slow motion. She became less active. I tried accupressure. We thought she might have dysplasia.

    Tasha needed her knee repaired. Actually she needed both knees repaired. Because both knees were bad, we didn't diagnose this until one knee was worse than the other and she limped. Tasha ended up with one knee repaired in October and did great. She blew the other knee in April and had surgery May 1. She's doing great.

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