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Myrika diagnosed w/HD

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  • 02-22-2008 6:37 PM

    Sad [:(] Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    Just wanted to share. Myrika is a week over 20 months of age and was recently spayed on the 7th of this month. We chose to have her hips x-rayed while she was under. Turns out she has severe/advanced hip dysplasia. We saw the x-rays...it is very clear that the head of femur (ball) has hardly any coverage from the acetabulum (socket). The bones are not smooth like they should be...they are jagged, indicating arthritis.

    Right now, Vet recommendations are for her to be on glucosamine for the rest of her life. Surgical options were explained to us, should it be necessary in the future (need to start saving mula now). The Vet did not push surgery on us. We are of course devastated but are also well aware that she can lead a very good life with this condition and are remaining positive.

    At this point, she is not showing any major suffering from pain. All of this ice we've been having doesn't help though...she has shown pain from continually trying to keep her balance and hind end stable when going out to potty - in that case, we try to keep an area easily accessible for her.

    She will be receiving regular massage therapy from me and hopefully I can get her into a hydrotherapy pool in the near future.

    She is currently getting Next Level joint pellets but I was told by the breeder that the ester-c (which is an inactive ingredient) has calcium which in her opinion Myrika should not have. The Vet approved the joint pellets. Breeder recommends Cosequin DS which I am familiar with (in regard to horses). In addition, we also have Metacam on hand for pain relief and as an anti-inflammatory if and as needed. She has already been getting omegas from fish oil.

    I have been making very good use of the search function on the forum. There are many good threads here discussing hip dysplasia, cosequin, etc. I thank you for that! And, in advance, for any other thoughts or experiences you'd be willing to share.

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  • 02-22-2008 6:42 PM In reply to TAOofGoldyShep

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    oy....you have my commiseration! That is tough news. I hope she remains without too much discomfort. Good on you for checking...I wish more people with pet dogs did. It's always good to know, IMO.

    I don't have any advice just wanted to say I am sorry to hear about this and wish you all well with the treatments you decide on. I will be twising my fingers several months from now when I get my girl checked out. Her parents and ancestors are were good or better but we ALL know how much that can mean sometimes...sigh.

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  • 02-22-2008 6:56 PM In reply to rwbeagles

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    I've got another thot for you ... Billy and I BOTH are doing this.  You and I have talked a bit about homeopathy in the past ... do some research on "Auto-sanguis" (particularly Joel Demers, DVM article is out there if you can find it) -- it's pretty cutting edge stuff for homeopathy ... and it's not 'fast' but wow, the deep changes are awesome and MINE is being done partly for arthritis. 

    In short, a homeopathic serum is made from one drop of the patient's blood and some beneficial other homeopathic remedies (in my case Traumeel and B-12, and I think Billy's is basically just injectible Traumeel by Heel/BNI).  That serum is then injected back into the patient in aqua-puncture zones ... and the body then uses that serum as a personal road-map to "things to deal with in this body". 

    Both Billy and I are experiencing some pretty amazing changes.  If your holistic vet needs more info, I know Dr. Demers is going to teach this again this spring thru Alt-Vet Med's workshops. 

    Acupuncture can be an awesome tool in this as well -- it can help maintain/deal with pain.  And don't forget the Knox Nutra-Joint -- it will help keep rebuilding cartilage. 

    If you want to email me I'll send you my arthritis article -- and you've got my prayers and good thots!! Been too long since we've seen you!!!


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  • 02-22-2008 8:07 PM In reply to TAOofGoldyShep

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     I'm sorry to hear about Myrika and hope you find the right supplements so she can be relatively pain free for several years.

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  • 02-22-2008 8:19 PM In reply to TAOofGoldyShep

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    Poor girl, sorry to hear this.  But, I know that you'll do your best to keep her comfy.  Ditto on the "attagirl" for having her checked out. 

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  • 02-22-2008 10:55 PM In reply to rwbeagles

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    Thank you all very much.

    Callie: I will follow-up with and research your suggestion next week, thanks. Will also email you for the arthritis article. I am always interested in Homeopathy and will pass along the info to our Vet, as well.

    Our Vet practices Acupuncture, so that's definitely doable. And, she is looking to go out on her own this year and specialize in rehab work - hoping she has the space for a therapy pool. A few years ago, Oakley's shoulder injury was treated with Acupuncture and it showed excellent results (he nailed his shoulder on a park bench, youch!).

    rwbeagles:
    Her parents and ancestors are were good or better but we ALL know how much that can mean sometimes...sigh.
    *sighing with you* This is so true and what is really getting to me. Over the years, we've purchased 4 puppies, all from reputable breeders (3 Goldens, 1 GSD). No hip problems or otherwise in the Goldens. We did the research and rather than adopting this time around, we chose to invest in a German import...because european dogs have a better track record with regard to hip health - this is what we were banking on. So, the initial investment in her purchase alone was quite high due to import fees/ancestry/breeder's experience & efforts, etc. Her pedigree is in German and from what we can see - and have been told - her hip lineage is good or better. The Vet agreed that this can happen; generations of healthy hips and then kicking out a bad one.

    Well, at least she ended up with the animal massage guru, lol!

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  • 02-22-2008 11:14 PM In reply to TAOofGoldyShep

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    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    There's a great group of folks on Yahoo that have lots of info to share.  I think you just search Yahoo Groups for Hip Dysplasia.  I can't remember how I found it, hopefully someone will share.  Hydrotherapy can be super for building the muscles that need to support the joint.  Indie has had 5 sessions so far of 30 minutes each and it's made a big difference!  He's also on Rimadyl when it's really cold (which gets to him), loads of salmon in his diet, and a human grade gluco/condr/msm/ha supplement.  I'm sorry to hear your diagnosis, hope you can find ways to help Myrika be as comfortable as possible for a long time.

    HD SUX!

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  • 02-25-2008 7:12 PM In reply to BCMixs

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    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

     I'm so sorry about your diagnosis. I have two dogs with HD myself, one manged with supps and one with surgery. I'll bet you found some of my conversations on supps in your search for HD in the threads so I won't go back into that issue too much aside from listing my favs...

    Winston' Joint Formula, Glyco Flex III, Knox Nutra Joint, and Salmon Oil

    Also... there's some interesting work going on with stem cells injected into dog hip joints that is cheaper than surgery (this is the first medical use of stem cells in animals I hear) and seems very effective thus far at the vet hospitals. This is very cutting edge and I'd be very into looking into it for the future if I still ahd treatment options for my guys.

    Best of luck, I know how tough it is, I can't stress enough the importance of low body weight and excercise... swimming if posisble. The stronger the muscles the more those hips can be held together. Feel free to PM me. 

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  • 02-26-2008 10:25 AM In reply to outdoorschik

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    outdoorschick: Thank you so much for your reply and supplement suggestions (I am searching for a different supplement than she is currently getting). I'd like to find something that is a great value/quality for the cost, as I also have two Goldens that I'd like to give the supplement to. Although the Goldens have healthy hips, they are aging and I think it would be a good idea for them to receive as a preventative.

    I will look into more info on the stem cell usage, too. You just may get a PM from me at some point.

    BCMixs: Thank you very much, and I will check out the HD Yahoo Groups. Definitely can't wait to get her into a therapy pool! I like the salmon suggestion...she occasionally gets salmon oil now when I can find it.

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    Best of luck to all of you who may have a dog with HD, as well.

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  • 02-26-2008 1:17 PM In reply to TAOofGoldyShep

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    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    I am so sorry for your diagnosis! I have been there. My Teddi just had a THR she is now 4 months post op. I have heard MANY success stories with less invasive procedures (accupuncture, chiropractic, supplements) I hope you can manage your infliction through those channels. The HD group (I am in there often) have been EXTREMELY supportive for me. Teddi is just a pup (16 month old Golden) we wanted to manage her but she was way too painful and I decided to surgically help her before arthritis or worse set in. She is doing very well now.

    How to manage is so dependent of the dog. Good luck! Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about my situation.

     


     

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  • 02-26-2008 10:33 PM In reply to TAOofGoldyShep

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     wow I am so sorry for her (and you) that just stinks - I hope you can manage her without surgery for a while and that she is relatively pain free.

    For those of you that had this diagnosis did your dogs show discomfort or pain or did you notice a gait thing or a reluctance to do something.  Thanks as I know there is a certain gait to look for but I am quite sure I wouldn't recognize it. 

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  • 02-27-2008 12:12 AM In reply to kpwlee

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    kpwlee:

    For those of you that had this diagnosis did your dogs show discomfort or pain or did you notice a gait thing or a reluctance to do something.  Thanks as I know there is a certain gait to look for but I am quite sure I wouldn't recognize it. 

     

    Oh yeah!  Of course, he was and is dealing with having almost no muscle mass and being emaciated, so that didn't help.  Exercising him was just grinding the joints together, hence the tenderness in all of them that I didn't notice but the specialists did.  It's also why hydrotherapy was so good because he could get the much needed exercise to build that supportive mass back up without that grinding.  But, even once he began to gain weight and some muscle back, I could see that the gait in his back left leg just wasn't right.  It wasn't really a limp, but rather a shortened stride in that leg and a very slight sort of dip in his walk.  He'd also be slow to rise and would stand with that leg cocked kind of, with the paw slightly lifted so you could see he wasn't putting full weight on it when standing still.  Then, it got cold.  Sad   Real cold.  And despite the initial good reaction he'd had to all the supplements, etc., he got lots worse.  Wouldn't use the stairs to go potty, wouldn't/couldn't climb onto the furniture or the bed, very visibly painful on rising, etc.  It just broke my heart.  He's improved a bunch after just 6 hydrotherapy sessions but even so, when the temps drop below freezing, you can see it.  And now that there's no Rimadyl in his system, he's a bit slower.  With full dosage of Rimadyl on board, he was a completely different dog.  Absolutely crazy!  It was hard keeping him calm, quiet and resting as he was supposed to and I hate seeing such a noticeable difference between on Rimadyl and off of it.  He's still a work in progress and we're still in the full evaluation stage to see how things are progressing in the joint, but I do believe that he is one of those dogs who clinically has "mild" HD (~70% of the ball in the socket, which is good) but has quite significant symptoms.  I can only hope that as his muscle mass recovers and he has more support for his joints that the symptoms will abate and that we may only need to go to Rimadyl in the cold winter months.

     

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  • 02-27-2008 7:06 AM In reply to kpwlee

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    Re: Myrika diagnosed w/HD

    kpwlee:

    For those of you that had this diagnosis did your dogs show discomfort or pain or did you notice a gait thing or a reluctance to do something.  Thanks as I know there is a certain gait to look for but I am quite sure I wouldn't recognize it. 

     

    For Teddi we had a hard time noticing it because she was so young. We had her x-rayed around 9 months because "something was not right". She had problems laying down and getting up. For a long time I thought it was the issue of the down command being the ultimate submissive thing, then when she wouldn't get up I thought "lazy puppy". She did start limping, and I was perplexed. Hindsight being 20/20 she had been sore from the day we brought her home Sad  We did try to manage it with pain meds, but needing 2 tablets a day just to be comfortable (and not even one year old) just was not right. That is when we went to the orthorpedic surgeon by referral from our vet for further evaluation.

    Now she lays down quickly on the first request, she jumps up and takes off, it is no longer painful to watch her move around either. No regrets for my decision other than it had to be made in the first place.

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  • 02-27-2008 7:29 AM In reply to Maxs Mom

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    Maxs Mom:
    Now she lays down quickly on the first request, she jumps up and takes off, it is no longer painful to watch her move around either. No regrets for my decision other than it had to be made in the first place.
       Oh wow that is so great for her and for you and so sad that any dog has to go through this especially such young dogs.

    Do they have to put them out for the xrays?   

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  • 02-27-2008 8:03 AM In reply to kpwlee

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    To get the proper view the dogs should be under. The dog has to be flat on their back, with their legs properly positioned and you do not want movement. I laugh, Teddi has gone back for her 6 and 12 week follow ups (her 6 month is in April). It is the only time she has been 'quiet'. They knock her out, take the pictures, consult with us and as she awakens they send her home. She is usually pretty out of it the rest of the day, I have some peace Wink

    If a dog is improperly positioned you can get a wrong diagnosis either way. That is why I personally have "issues" with OFA, you can have a poor positioning and a subjective opinion. With the more recent PennHip evaluation they use a block to position the hips properly and grade on a percent scale. It is more objective than subjective I am still learning about it. Breeders are not comfortable with this yet and I have my opinion it bases on two reasons, the first they think it is harder on the dog because of the block, but the dog is still out and this is done by professionals, there is no recorded instance of any injury do to this technique. Secondly it is MUCH harder to pass so more dogs will not get a favorable diagnosis.

    I can tell you my next dog will most likely have to have favorable PennHip parents AND 2 or more generations of OFA Excellent. The risk is still there but I want to lessen my chances. Teddi will have a good active life. However she will never be able to compete in agility (which was one thing I wanted to do when I bought her) she will never be able to jump regulation height or do contacts, she also can't dock jump which is the ONE thing she loves more than anything. That is not fair for her!

    I am content having a loving dog, it is just we got a high energy, high drive dog to do specific things. Now I have a monster or at least until I can let her run around again. Come on April!!!
     

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