Poll: Spay/Neutring

• 02-20-2008 11:23 PM

  Jr. Dog Expert Joined on 10-23-2007 Posts 1 Points 0

  Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact Hey Everyone, I'm going through alot of the dog forums that I'm a member of and taking a poll, and seeing what the responses are. My hypothetical question is: Would you be against or for madatory spay/neutring? The only exceptiongs being if you are a breeder, or have a show dog. I know that this seems next to impossible, but IF it were possible to achive, would you be against it or for it? Tell me and give me your reasons, please. All input is much appreciated.

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• 02-21-2008 9:00 AM

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  Edie Joined on 04-19-2006 Posts 1,568 Points 5	Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact  I am against juvenile spaying and neutering,as in getting them done before the dog has fully matured,eg younger than 18mths-2 years,and older for some Giant breeds. I dont think i could support a mandatory spaying/neutering Law,as the people who this law should apply to would no doubt ignore it anyway! ~A tired dog is a well behaved dog~
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• 02-21-2008 11:52 AM

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  BlackLabbie Joined on 01-28-2008 South of Boston Posts 1,115 Points 175	Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact If it were possible to achive, yes, I would be in favor of mandatory spay/neuter. Why? Because there is a pet overpopulation crisis, many pets never find a permanant home and end up in shelters/pounds and eventually euthanized. If hunger is not the problem, then eating is not the solution. ~Author Unknown
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• 02-21-2008 9:34 PM

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  spiritdogs Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 10,133 Points 735

  Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact I'm not a big fan of legislating mandatory spay/neuter.  I'd be more inclined to think that breeder licensing, mandatory microchipping, or limiting the number of litters a breeder can produce in a year would be better than spay/neuter.  That way, legitimate hobby breeders, who are doing everything correctly to improve their breed, and breeders of working or service dogs, would be free to continue, but puppy mills would have a harder time.  Regional Director for Massachusetts, International Positive Dog Training Association Director, SeniorCare Pawsitive Connections Program AKC CGC Evaluator #3669 Therapy Dogs, Inc. Tester/Observer Sioux, CGC, TDInc. Maska, CGC, TDInc. Sequoyah, CGC Fergie, Retired Lap Dog, Age 19 Dancer, CGC, TDInc. (1989-2006) #1 Heart Dog "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them and what you do not know, you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." - Chief Dan George "The fidelity of a dog is a precious gift demanding no less binding moral responsibilities than the friendship of a human being. The bond with a true dog is as lasting as the ties of this earth can ever be." ~ Konrad Lorenz

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• 02-21-2008 11:39 PM

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  BCMixs Joined on 01-10-2008 Virginia Posts 1,394 Points 25

  Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact I'm for them but honestly, I think the money, time and effort is better spent on education and on low-cost or free clinics.  I could foresee a situation where a locality passes the legislation, then let say for instance, only chooses to enforce it by going after people who might post for sale ads in the papers or on Craig's list and enforces that they either spay/neuter the pups/kitties or pay the higher fees and that they pay the fees for the brood bitch that may be on site.  The time that would take and the money it would cost would probably spay/neuter far more animals than it would prevent.  I hope that makes sense, it's late.  Administratively, it would be a bureaucratic nightmare and I think it would be better to provide incentives for doing the spay/neuter if alliances can be built with organizations working to reduce the homeless pet population.  Like pet store gift cards, reduced vet fees for 1 year, free pet food, something like that.  Catch more flies with honey, you know? 30 lbs. by Christmas, down 4 lbs., 26 to go!!!

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• 02-22-2008 7:12 PM

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  spiral Joined on 02-09-2008 Posts 5 Points 0	Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact in principle (assuming that working animals would also be exempted, sensible time limits applied, etc.) i think its a good idea. in practice it is highly unlikely to work, because anyone who really wants to will get around it (there's always loopholes)/
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• 02-22-2008 10:15 PM

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  Pwca Joined on 09-10-2006 Dallas, Texas Posts 1,324 Points 310	Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact Just like I said on the other board, I don't think it's much of a poll if you're going to exclude a huge segment of dog owners.
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• 02-22-2008 11:56 PM

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  Poodle_luvr Joined on 10-24-2007 Wisconsin Posts 216 Points 1,045

  Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact I'm totally against it. Once you start getting the government involved it becomes nothing but a mess and the ones who will really pay the price for it will be the good, respectable breeders. Puppy mills will still exist, BYB will continue to breed. The rest of us will pay the price for this kind of legislation, financially and in every other way. Yes, I hate the overpopulation of animals. It's horrible. Not only dogs and cats, but other animals as well, such as horses.  Seems like everyone who has a mare thinks they have to breed her too.  It makes me sick. I think there were some good suggestions mentioned.  Give people some incentive to spay and neuter - for one thing, lower the price.  For crying out loud, it's almost $200 to spay a medium sized female dog.  And then the pain meds are extra.  You mean to tell me that you can cut open a dog, do major surgery, and pain meds are OPTIONAL???  That's responsible vetting??  And of course, you have to pay up front.  I'm sorry, I mean no offense and I love my vet, but that is just crazy.  My daughter and son in law bought a very nice female pup.  They take wonderful care of her, she eats a high quality food, she is vaccinated on time and wormed, etc. And she is not spayed.  They just don't have that much extra cash laying around.  One vet tech said that if they can't afford responsible care (spaying), they shouldn't have the dog.  I counter that with if the vets/humane associations are truly that concerned with overpopulation, then lower the prices and help people out.  Another thought - I know that Humane Associations have a lot of costs to cover.  I have a niece who has worked at a pound for many years.  The pound charges a lot for a mixed breed dog around here. Why would I, if I were looking for a dog and didn't have a lot of money, that much money for a 'mutt' when I can open the paper and find a BYB (or puppy mill) who is selling one for less? I'm just an average person wanting a dog for my family.  I have no clue what a BYB or puppy mill even is.  (I am just repeating something that was said to me, by the way.  I am not saying I agree with this.)  I don't know.  It's a huge issue.  But as a person who is considering possibly breeding my dogs, I feel that mandatory spaying/neutering is wrong.  Who gets to decide what animals get spayed/neutered?  Who decides what a 'good breeder' is?  Scary. Dogs are proof...God not only loves us and wants us to be happy, but He also has a great sense of humor and likes to hear us laugh!!!

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• 02-23-2008 12:53 AM

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  erica1989 Joined on 02-21-2007 Clearwater, Florida Posts 2,684 Points 260

  Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact I think it's a good idea, in theory, but it wont work. I work in a shelter, and it's awful to see all these animals changing hands. I could never imagin giving up my pets for any reason, at any time. They come first, I made a commitment to them, and I have every intention to honor that. I think the better alternative is to open more spay/neuter clinics, and public education. A stricter crack down on BYBs, and stronger licensing for "professional" breeders. I think anyone that breeds dogs needs to first walk through a shelters kennels, and think long and hard about their decision. (I'm not saying all breeders are bad, many do breed to better their breed, but there are way too many who do not.) Some incentives to spay/neuter? A better animal. Fewer temperment problems, fewer health problems. Neutering a dog eliminates the risk for testicular cancer in males. And if you think spaying is more painful for a female than having a litter (or 6) - I suggest you talk to any woman who has given birth to a kid. Dogs bounce right back up the NIGHT after.

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• 02-23-2008 11:15 AM

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  tinymars Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 5 Points 0	Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact Actually, that comment about eliminating the risk of prostate cancer is incorrect.  Neutering may reduce the incidence of other prostate problems, such as BPH, but may increase the risk of prostate cancer.
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• 02-23-2008 11:47 AM

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  erica1989 Joined on 02-21-2007 Clearwater, Florida Posts 2,684 Points 260

  Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact http://www.pawsperouspets.com/tips/spayneuter.shtml Eliminates testicular tumors and reduces prostate gland problems. http://www.ask-the-vet.com/dogs/19/Health-benefits-of-neutering-dogs.html The main benefits of neutering in male dogs : 1. Eliminates prostate problems - the prostate gland enlarges as a dog ages when it's under the influence of testosterone. This can result in constipation and makes it very uncomfortable for the dog. The prostate gland can also get infected which would inevitably mean the  dog has to be neutered anyway to treat it

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• 02-23-2008 3:26 PM

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  BCMixs Joined on 01-10-2008 Virginia Posts 1,394 Points 25

  Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact I agree with everything you're saying about the cost of S/N.  I love my personal vet, I really do.  But when it came time to neuter my shelter kitty Milo, they wanted something like $90 in addition to the discount coupon I got from the shelter.  A nearby vet only charged me $40, so I took him there and donated the other $50.  I agree, if they care and want to be part of the solution, they should participate in the discounts.  I also like that the shelter where I volunteer won't adopt out until altered.  There are groups around here that offer reduced and sometimes free altering, base it on income, etc.    The only thing I think might be helpful if there were mandatory SN laws is in the following situations: 1) A locality knows of a puppy mill but can't do much about it because USDA regulations are lax and sporadically enforced.  Cutting into a millers profits with litter fees and citations might help shut them down or get them to reduce the number of litters they produce because the fees cut into their bottom line. 2) A local BYB that the authorities knows about because they routinely dump their leftovers at the shelter when they reach about 12-20 weeks and haven't sold.  Authorities know more about who is operating in their area than I previously realized.  The problem is they often lack the legal authority to do anything about it, a SN ordinance could give them that.   30 lbs. by Christmas, down 4 lbs., 26 to go!!!

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• 02-23-2008 4:07 PM

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  Pomeranian <3 Joined on 01-03-2008 MASSACHUSETTS Posts 1,065 Points 545

  Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact I am in favor of mandatory pet spaying / neutering. If the female is not being used to whelp she needs to be spayed before the first heat cycle. [I also feel there should be stricter breeding laws and punishment for people who have unplanned litters] Males are typically in the show ring; and sometimes you can not tell if a pup is show worthy right away (it may take up to almost two years). I feel all males should be neutered if not registered as show dogs. If a dog is a Companion/Pet Dog that means it won't be bred, so people should have no problem spaying/neutering them.

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• 02-23-2008 4:17 PM

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  mrv Joined on 09-10-2007 west central OH Posts 2,680 Points 745

  Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact You cant legislate behavior... Mandatory spay neuter laws will just drive folks underground if they are not law abiding and out of the area if they are. I would support aggressive enforcement of licensing and leash laws... I would also support higher fees for licensing if the additional money funded spaying and neutering of shelter dogs and low cost clinics. Mandatory alteration of dogs would significanlly impact my primary leisure time activities and essentially one of the primary things that give joy to my life.  I dont trust the exemption "garbage" currently being placed in legislation to shut people up... It all expires.... I believe (and I am not usually a conspiracy nut) that the whole aim behind mandatory altering is to further the animal rights agenda of no animal husbandry of any type.

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• 02-23-2008 5:05 PM

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  Pwca Joined on 09-10-2006 Dallas, Texas Posts 1,324 Points 310

  Re: Poll: Spay/Neutring Reply Contact The thing is, spaying before the 1st heat DOES lower the risk of mammary cancers. But it INCREASES the risk of spay incontinence, and the risk of ovarian/uterine cancers goes down no matter WHEN she's spayed.  Secondly, there's dogs BEYOND show dogs that should be bred. Dogs that actually WORK- I'm thinking working cattle dogs, but police dogs, heck, even performance/sport should count equal with showing, the breeding stock for service dog programs like CCI and GDA.   We need to fix the people end o this problem- the ones that think pets are disposable. Then we need to ix the strays and ferals. THEN let's see how many we actually have in shelters.

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