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Could use some good thots...Snickers has IMHA

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  • 03-24-2008 10:16 AM In reply to TheDogHouseBCMPD

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    Re: Snickers is gone.

    I'm so sorry. Snickers was such a lucky girl to have such a loving and devoted owner. She knows you did all you could, and I know she's grateful for it. 

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  • 03-24-2008 10:34 AM In reply to Cita

    Re: Snickers is gone.

    I am so sorry.  Our thoughts are with you.  Run free Snickers!

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  • 03-24-2008 7:46 PM In reply to mrstjohnson

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    Re: Snickers is gone.

    Karen--

    I'm so sorry for your loss. Snickers was such a huge part of your life and I'm sure her absence has left you with a large hole.

    My thoughts are with you. I'm so sorry.

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  • 03-25-2008 6:26 AM In reply to nfowler

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    Re: Snickers is gone.

     I'm overwhelmed by the sheer number of people that have posted, pm'ed  and emailed. Thank you all for your support it helps tremendously to know others understand, I don't think I can respond to everyone individually but I sure wish i could. She's left a giant gaping hole in my life. When I call the dogs in from outside I've accidentally called her a few times and it just hurts. It's tough to go through a work day and not cry, so by the time I get home i'm emotionally/mentally shot. I know I just need time, but gosh this is hard.

    When she died Khoale howled and howled and pawed at her frantically, and she's still out of sorts. Oliver gets up EVERY morning and walks the whole house and looks in the mudroom in the crates as if he's looking for her and then he stares at me and I just tell him she's gone. I wasn't expecting this since they saw her go...

    In one week I get her ashes back and a paw print the vet staff is making me (they don't normally do that but wanted to... I thought it was the nicest gesture)

    I''ve gone through cycles of every darn emotion out there and i wish I could be just numb for a bit, sheer sadness, guilt and anger keep coming and going. I keep thinking what I could've done different. or if we lived in a different part of the country maybe she'd have had access to different specialists, etc... maybe she had undiagnosed evan's disease all along, which is IMHA and the platelet disorder at the same time which is rare but would explain it all... maybe if they'd have been watching the platelets all along too and not ignored the fact that they coudln't get a read a few times she'd still be here with me, maybe maybe  maybe... it's enough to make me crazy.

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  • 03-25-2008 8:49 AM In reply to outdoorschik

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    Re: Snickers is gone.

    Karen,,,I too am going thru exactly what you are.

    I have every guilt thought going thru my head possible.  I am kicking myself for several things,,,including having Bubblegum xray'd for her hips and spine, when I kept saying all along that it was not that. I keep thinking..maybe I missed some sign....something that if I had started earlier maybe my girl would still be with me.  Everything in my house is Bubby...and when I get on my computer I changed my wallpaper...it used to be Ollie ( my sons Dane ) as a baby...even after I got Bubby I kept it because I love Ollie so much,,,but I changed it to Bubby standing up on me......and I think I have to change it because instead of bringing joy to me...it makes me cry. I also have Bubbys footprint,,,It sitting out by my TV and is also making me cry. I think of all the times I  kissed those big feet, so often she was on her back to get her belly rubbed. 

     On top of that....I am lost because I have no dog...I don't even belong on this forum anymore.  

    We will survive!  We must!  ITs several weeks past Bubbys passing.....and I still cry at the drop of a hat. I hardly made it thru Easter Day....even with work of making dinner and company....I wanted Bubby there with me.  I don't think I will ever get over this myself.

    You hang in there......hug and love your other dogs...help them make it thru this lonely time for them too..... you are really lucky to have them.

    Hugs....dyan    


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  • 03-25-2008 9:22 AM In reply to dyan

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    Re: Snickers is gone.

    dyan:
    On top of that....I am lost because I have no dog...I don't even belong on this forum anymore.  

    Yes you do belong - you know the love and joy sharing your life with a dog brings and the pain at their passing.  You have provided kind kind words and support to people who have needed it.  Do not beat yourselves up with would have, should have, etc - you did what you could with the information you had and that was all you could do.

    I lost my heart dog January 9, 2005 and still cry at times (especially now reading about Snickers and Bubbblegum).  I am so sorry Snickers lost her fight but she was home where she belonged and she knew she was dearly loved.  I read comments from a disabled guy once who had lost his service dog.  He said if he had a choice between never losing his legs or never having known his dog - he would chose to lose his legs all over again.  That the pain hurts so much because the love was so deep. 

    Peace to you both.

     

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  • 03-25-2008 11:38 AM In reply to rredbird

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    I didn't knew Snickers was sick. I'm so sorry this happened outdoorschick, I know how hard it is to overcome this difficult times.

    Run free Snickers.

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  • 03-25-2008 4:33 PM In reply to dyan

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    Re: Snickers is gone.

    dyan:
    ...I am lost because I have no dog...I don't even belong on this forum anymore.  

    Please don't feel that way, Dyan -- my Tonka has been gone a little over 2 years, and even though I don't spend as much time on the forum as I used to, I'd like to think that I'm still welcome here, even without a dog.  Actually, we're not truly WITHOUT a dog -- we just don't have the physical manifestation of one.  Tonka, Bubblegum, Snickers . . .  all the dogs we've loved and lost are still part of us and our lives, just in a different way.  I enjoy "visiting" the dogs (and babies, cats, adults) on this forum, even though I sometimes feel I don't have anything of value to offer in many threads since I'm without a dog right now.  But, we can offer support to others at times like these, as well as keep the memories of our angel dogs alive by sharing stories about them here, etc.

    Karen, what you described about getting through a day, not being able to cry while at work, and how you feel when you finally get home . . . . I understand completely.  The people in my office, after offering initial condolences, just left me alone, which I was thankful for --- any attempt at conversation was too risky.  But when I walked into the house and was finally by myself, I would literally collapse in tears for 30 minutes straight before I'd be able to pull myself together to get dinner prepared or whatever.  I hated leaving the house to get the mail or put out the garbage, etc. -- I was so afraid I'd run into someone who'd ask about Tonka and I'd fall apart.  Having to contain it, knowing it's just about to crack, is exhausting. 

    The other thing I can relate to that you and Dyan talked about is the second-guessing and the regrets about catching something earlier, if you could've seen a different vet or had a different specialist, had a different test been run, another medication, something. . . . anything . . . . . Even now, 2 years later, I have pangs of guilt and regret about things I wish we'd done or didn't do.  You know, I've only had a few dreams about Tonka since he died, and a few months ago I had a short one where he was lying on his back in my mother's old living room (where he'd never been).  I went up to him to rub his belly, and he was smiling at me, and he said, "I forgive you."  That's all I remember of it.  Not that I think he was holding anything against us, but I keep that image in my mind now.

    Take each moment one at a time --- it was many weeks before I could go a day without lots of tears, and months before I felt somewhat normal (although no one else would've noticed - I hid it well).  Let yourself grieve as long as you need, and remember how many of us understand!  ((((hugs)))) 

    Hearing about your other dogs' reactions breaks my heart, too.  How I wish we could share the English language with animals even for just 5 minutes, just so we could explain things like this and help them understand! 

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  • 03-25-2008 4:46 PM In reply to tacran

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    Re: Snickers is gone.

    tacran:

    dyan:
    ...I am lost because I have no dog...I don't even belong on this forum anymore.  

    Please don't feel that way, Dyan -- my Tonka has been gone a little over 2 years, and even though I don't spend as much time on the forum as I used to, I'd like to think that I'm still welcome here, even without a dog. 

    Oh my gosh Dyan and Tracy, you're both still part of this family and always will be. I remember when Tonka passed and I knew that there was so much that Tracy had to offer others going thru the same thing. I've seen you reach out to others and I know that you've helped them get thru the worst of times. We share our experiences here, and losing your heart dog is not something everyone can understand. Please don't either of you leave this forum. That would break my heart.

    There are a few stories of loss that have touched me deep in my heart and Tonka, Bubby and Snickers have done that. I cried when I read about Snickers on Saturday. I could just feel the sense of loss and although it was beautiful that she passed at home in the arms of the one who loved her most, I felt in my heart how terribly sad that must've been. I read some of it to my DH last night and started to cry again.

    The early days are the most difficult, but even later there are days when something out of the blue will bring back a memory and you feel the loss all over again. It does get better again though. Really, it does.

     

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  • 03-25-2008 9:15 PM In reply to tacran

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    Re: Snickers is gone.

    and he was smiling at me, and he said, "I forgive you."  

     

    I must say....... I  would give anything in the world for this dream!


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  • 03-25-2008 10:27 PM In reply to outdoorschik

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    I understand what it feels like to lose a special animal and it seems that no words can heal the hurt or soothe the grief. I am very sorry to hear of Snicker's passing and her struggle with IMHA. She will be in excellent company at Rainbow Bridge - running free and without suffering. Thinking of you tonight and hoping you find much love and peace in her memory.
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  • 03-25-2008 10:49 PM In reply to dyan

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    It's not unusual for this to cause complete upheaval in a pack.  For the LONGEST time after we lost Muffin the Intrepid we COULD ***NOT*** mention his name.  For the longest time, David and I had to call him (like in the Harry Potter books except with a completely opposite connotation) "The One Who Can Not Be Named" because Foxy would get SO depressed.

    Foxy was 17 1/2 at the time and I honestly was terrified that he was going to just walk to The Bridge and take himself over.  I really truly thot he'd mourn himself to death.  I put him in basic obedience at the age of 17 1/2 so we could get his CGC (so he could go to hospitals like Muffin did) because he wanted SO BADLY to take all of Muffin's 'stuff' on his own shoulders.

    For them to look for her and feel agitated is normal.  It affects them as strongly as you ... particularly Oliver -- she raised him essentially. 

    The "what ifs" will kill you.  We kept Muffin on chemo "too long".  David and I STILL disagree on that.  Chemo saved his life ... but I listened to a vet who, herself, had gone thru cancer and who had cut short her chemo because she felt 'sick'   THEN she got cancer in the other breast. 

    So SHE advocated long long long term chemo (almost as a "kill the cancer before it starts" type of prevention).  But it's too hard on the rest of the body.

    At the time we'd just started with the TCVM and I was scared to 'trust' it fully.  NOW I see that we'd have made out better with that than the chemo going on so long. 

    I *could* be full of self-recrimination ... but I won't let myself because overall that's destructive.  But I *do* try to make sure that folks that are contemplating chemo for their dog know how much easier TCVM can make it and not to let it go on 'too long'.  (Muffin took chemo for nearly a year -- like 9 months.  I wish I'd stopped it at 4 months!!)

    It's also because of Muffin that i"m such a proponent of milk thistle.  I didn't do ANY with Muffin because I didn't know then that it would help the kidneys and I really didn't think about the liver.

    I learned. 

    Both Dyan and Karen lost heartbreakers -- to mysterious (at first) circumstances.  But don't let yourself get lost in self-recrimination -- we make the best descisions we can THEN.  Sometimes our vet help isn't the best -- and both of you will know those limitations in future.

    I lost Muffin and felt like I was 'unheard' ... for MONTHS he'd been off his food -- not majorly but he WAS a chowhound.  But I kept nagging and nagging the vet that he was a little reluctant to eat ... and my vet didn't know then to look for early renal failure. 

    After we lost Muffin Dr. Bailey and I cried together -- and since then he's read everything he can get his hands on about ERF and what he feels he *should* have known ... and it won't happen again to a dog under his care. 

    One of the early early clues that Billy was getting the IMHA was that he was just a tiny bit nauseated ... and I screeched the house down about it.  Dr. Bailey pulled out all the stops as well **because** he knew I knew my dog and if *I* said this was ABnormal ... then bless it, it WAS.

    So in Muffin's loss ... I was able to help Billy. 

    Does that make sense?  You can't be afraid to try again.  karen, I think you learning the signs of Evan's disease is AWESOME ... so often on here we have people passing thru with dogs with IMHA ... and you will be able to be the chief voice saying "MAKE SURE they check***platelets***"!!!"

    We can do those things in our friends' memory.  Every dog I help with demodex I will sit here and say "Muffin -- that one's for you!!".  Every dog I help that has a spinal injury (and direct people to TCVM and massage) I say "Polly ... that one's for YOU!!"

    There's just one more step beyond self-recrimination ... and that's putting the grief in it's place and using it to help others. 

    We aren't all knowing .. and we don't have endless resources ... so we just do what we can. 

    You guys are so fresh in your grief -- and that's so difficult.  Karen, Dr. D grieved with you tonight when I told her about Snickers. 

    It took me about seven years (no joke) to process my grief for Prissy.  I had other dogs ... but so often I cried myself to sleep.  But when I finally did get beyond it ... it changed my life.  and honestly?  I have Prissy to thank for that!!  In a very real sense she reached beyond The Bridge and handed me part of my life back. 

    Keep working on it -- you *will* process your grief ... part of it is working thru it with other dogs.  Dyan ... don't wait too long.     but don't be hurried either. 

    **group hug**


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  • 03-25-2008 11:03 PM In reply to calliecritturs

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    Dyan and Tracy-It's funny I've never thought of either of you as not having a dog. 

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  • 03-25-2008 11:55 PM In reply to willowchow

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    Re: Snickers is gone.

    willowchow:
    Dyan and Tracy-It's funny I've never thought of either of you as not having a dog. 

    Thank you, Lori!  It really touched me to read that!  Like I said, I don't feel like I'm completely without a dog, because Tonka is still with me every day, and because so many dogs are part of my regular routine, thanks to friends and neighbors, dogs on whose behalf I serve on our local shelter's board, etc.  And, I feel like I've kind of adopted many of the special dogs here, too!  Like Cathy said, to hear of the passing of some of the dogs I've come to know on the forum really affects me.

    Cathy, thank you for your kind words about my forum "status," too!

    Also, what Callie said is so true --- through our trials with our dogs' health issues and/or deaths, we learn something that helps us with another dog in our own care, or that of a friend or co-worker, etc.  I'd never heard of AIHA until I came to this forum, and I'm glad I've learned something about it, even though it was due to someone else's heartbreak.

    This is why I enjoy this forum --- it's filled with people like all of you in this thread -- so supportive and understanding!  ((((hugs for everyone!))))

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  • 03-26-2008 4:28 PM In reply to willowchow

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    Re: Snickers is gone.

    Dyan and Tracy-It's funny I've never thought of either of you as not having a dog. 

    Thank you Lori,,,Tracy you too...and all the others. As  I just told Callie in an email..who also said the kind words that "we did belong here" even without a dog......  You know...I joined this forum a long time ago...and when I think of it...I didnt' have a dog back then either.... but I had Ollie here all the time....but really he wan't mine.  I got so involved with this forum..and then eventually adverse reactions to drugs and vaccines..and then food......all before I got Bubblegum.  

    But...since I've had Bubby over the last years......I feel that I lost sooo much....and being here is one of them. I will get over it...and I will get another dog...its too sad without one.


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