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  • 02-13-2008 11:12 AM In reply to cyclefiend2000

    Re: Republican/Conservative Corner

    cyclefiend2000:

     you realize mccain is an aisle straddler right?

    he was endorsed by joe lieberman afterall. i think the true conservatives have already been beaten. 

    Yes I do... but I'm no PURE conservative either... I'm extremely Republican and passionate about some things but very Liberal on other things too... I think its normal to be somewhere in the middle. I just favor people who lean more on the republican side of things

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  • 02-13-2008 1:50 PM In reply to Pomeranian <3

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    Yeah, there really isn't a true conservative presence anymore (not surprising due to the country's backlash, deserved or undeserved). People forget that the war has gone this way (nay, even started) because Bush is an idiot, not because he is a conservative. Conservatives may be more hawkish, but its takes a trigger-happy prez who wants to do what his daddy did in Desert Storm and a series of bad advisors to make a war like this. Bush really left a bad taste in the mouth of the country when it comes to conservatives - people are very prone to lumping us all in that category even when the majority of us are much more educated/diverse/not rabid Bushites!

    I think it is pretty clear that McCain will get the Rep nomination. I think if Obama wins the Dem nomination, he's got the election, due to all the media hype and people who like him just because he talks well (I like him on a more educated level, BUT I just don't think he is ready for presidency...give him a few more years and then I'd trust him more)

    If Hillary wins...it's a horserace.

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  • 02-14-2008 12:36 AM In reply to whtsthfrequency

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    We have 3 liberals in the race.  By far the biggest liberal is Obama.  He was offered by the Dems to make Hillary look more centered being she is pretty far left herself.  Now he is stealing the show, and the Dem's are scratching their heads big time with jaw drop.  Somebody screwed up royally and they did not expect this; that the Democratic voters would lean more left toward somebody nobody even heard of before up until last year.  Who ever heard of Obama up until last year?  This was a big time screw up.

    McCain without question is a liberal republican.  Anyone who aligns himself with Kennedy up in Mass and calls himself a republican????  Regardless, he is the best IMO in regards to any republican offering.  I think he's is going to be a tough foreign policy Pres and that is what we need now IMO.  They will try and hit us again, no doubt.  Look at the gap between the '92 bombing and '01.  These guys are very patient and 9 years lapsed before they hit there mark and succeeded the second time.  We need a strong foreign policy Pres like McCain, despite him being a big liberal.  Iran has some serious issues.  They want nukes and they want to stir up trouble.  They are breeding terrorists and much of the trouble in Iraq today has much assistance from the Iranian government.  This is state sponsored terrorism.  Is Hillary going to deal with that.  How many times did her husband have Arafat over as a White House guest?  Think Obama is going to be tough with these folks.  He wants to sit down and have some friendly chat, maybe pick up some pointers on how to spread diversity?  They kill you if your gay in Iran.  How's that for diversity in the work place...and he wants to chat with these fanatics?  Meanwhile, McCain speaks of.....BOMB BOMB BOMB, BOMB BOMB IRAN.  Sorry, but that is exactly what I want to hear.  Hit 'em hard, that's what I want to see.  I want to see Israeli jets and and US fighter pilots bomb the living you know what out of each and every nuke plant they have in that country.  I want to see each nuke plant flattened like a pancake.  And, McCain is probably the only guy with enough stones to make it happen.  If that kind of talk is too much, sorry but I know I'm not alone in my thinking.  These guys have been hitting us for 30 YEARS worth of embassy bombings, the USS Cole, terrorism, the whole 9 yards.  30 Years worth of slaps in the face we have taken from these guys and I am sick of it.  I want Sen. John McCain to be the next Pres. and blow that whistle when it is time to unleash a furry upon that country so devastating they will wake the heck up and stop messing with the west and drop that rhetoric about wiping Israel off the map.  No, I don't want to see the innocent people of Iran suffer, but I want those nuke plants devastated beyond repair and give them such a shock wave of percussion blasts that will rock their entire country.  And that my friends is why I could care less if John McCain is a liberal, he is NOT going to take any bull* from those guys, and I hope the Jets fly the very day he is sworn into office.  Send them a clear message, we ARE NOT going to take anymore, 30 years is long enough.

    CC.

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  • 02-14-2008 1:02 AM In reply to cc431

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    I must say.....how do you know, that if we do take military action against Iran, that it won't end up like the total quagmire that is in Iraq? Civilian casualties? General civil unrest? In addition, the budget is already strained, and it would inevitably lead to higher taxes to support it (and that's something I definitely don't want, being a financial conservative.....) Of course, money is only part of the issue. But would starting another war really help the situation? I'm ambivalent. I was gung ho about kicking the crud out or Iraq (or rather Hussein specifically, more for all of the human rights issues/terrorist harboring), but it was handled so poorly...I don't want to see it happen again, have the national opinion of what consititutes a conservative go even farther downhill, throw our economy into even more of a downward spiral, and see both our own soldiers and Iranian civilians killed, even if the nuke plants are destroyed...

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  • 02-14-2008 1:47 AM In reply to whtsthfrequency

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    Air strikes only, no ground troops.  If it takes 1000's of air stirkes so be it, but their nukes must go.

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  • 02-14-2008 8:17 AM In reply to cc431

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    Re: Republican/Conservative Corner

    cc431:

    Air strikes only, no ground troops.  If it takes 1000's of air stirkes so be it, but their nukes must go.

    And how do you do that w/o killing innocent civilians?  How many dead children is it worth to you?  What if hundreds or thousands of civilians are killed, and ultimately it's determined that there were no nuclear weapons?  Just as there were no WMD in Iraq . . .

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  • 02-14-2008 8:56 AM In reply to cc431

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    cc431:
    McCain without question is a liberal republican.

    This is deff why I like him. He's like me in someways (but of course not all ways). I'm deff a Republican but I do have liberal views on a lot of things... it will be nice to have someone in office like him that can be compassionate about both parties and maybe he'll be a great median?

    cc431:
    I think he's is going to be a tough foreign policy Pres and that is what we need now IMO.

    I watched him speak about this and his answer was exactly what I wanted to hear. He said something along the lines of 'look we need to be smart about this, we can't just pull the troops out of Iraq that is not the answer, but we do need some strategy changes'. That is what we need to hear (whether some like it or not) because that is the truth. We can't just leave Iraq but we can have a better direction sure.

    I'm really rooting for McCain... I hope he takes it all :o)

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  • 02-14-2008 9:52 PM In reply to Myra

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    Myra:
    And how do you do that w/o killing innocent civilians?  How many dead children is it worth to you?  What if hundreds or thousands of civilians are killed, and ultimately it's determined that there were no nuclear weapons?  Just as there were no WMD in Iraq . . .

    How many dead children is it worth to you when Iranian nukes head into Israel or the USA?  We know they are working on nukes and we know they have multiple nuclear facilities.  Don't you watch the news?   I hope the very minute McCain puts his hand on The Bible and is swore in as President our fighter jets and Israeli jets are taking off.  I want to see there nuclear program wiped off the map, the same way they hope to wipe Israel off map.  No, I am not Jewish either if that thought crossed your mind.  I support Israel and glad they are only real ally we can count on in the Mid-East.  So, how many dead children is it worth to you?  You will see Iranian nuclear capability destroyed, and the sooner the better.

    At the start of the Iraq war, Hussein safely flew his fighters jets and parked them in Iran.  What makes you think he didn't move out WMD into the Syria.  They found stock piles of chemical weapons and mobile biological labs in Iraq.  Your kidding yourself if you don't think he had or was working on WMD.  Can I justify in my mind going to war in Iraq...NO.  Afghanistan...YES.  Regardless, IMO it was justifiable taking him out (WMD or no WMD), especially considering the genocide of over 100,000 of his own countrymen at his hand.

    CC.

     

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  • 02-14-2008 10:09 PM In reply to cc431

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    Re: Republican/Conservative Corner

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    Myra:
    And how do you do that w/o killing innocent civilians?  How many dead children is it worth to you?  What if hundreds or thousands of civilians are killed, and ultimately it's determined that there were no nuclear weapons?  Just as there were no WMD in Iraq . . .

    How many dead children is it worth to you when Iranian nukes head into Israel or the USA?  We know they are working on nukes and we know they have multiple nuclear facilities.  Don't you watch the news?   I hope the very minute McCain puts his hand on The Bible and is swore in as President our fighter jets and Israeli jets are taking off.  I want to see there nuclear program wiped off the map, the same way they hope to wipe Israel off map.  No, I am not Jewish either if that thought crossed your mind.  I support Israel and glad they are only real ally we can count on in the Mid-East.  So, how many dead children is it worth to you?  You will see Iranian nuclear capability destroyed, and the sooner the better.

    At the start of the Iraq war, Hussein safely flew his fighters jets and parked them in Iran.  What makes you think he didn't move out WMD into the Syria.  They found stock piles of chemical weapons and mobile biological labs in Iraq.  Your kidding yourself if you don't think he had or was working on WMD.  Can I justify in my mind going to war in Iraq...NO.  Afghanistan...YES.  Regardless, IMO it was justifiable taking him out (WMD or no WMD), especially considering the genocide of over 100,000 of his own countrymen at his hand.

    CC.

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  • 02-15-2008 7:31 AM In reply to cc431

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    cc431:

    We know they are working on nukes and we know they have multiple nuclear facilities.  Don't you watch the news?

    I watch (and read) a lot of news.  Apparently you don't.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/03/iran.nuclear/index.html

    http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSWBT00801220071203?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5346524.stm

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  • 02-15-2008 8:50 AM In reply to Myra

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    Myra:
     

    Apparently you read but filter and filter out at the same time what you don't want to believe.  Two of those three articles clearly stated Iran could have enough uranium to enrich for a bomb by 2010-2015.  010 is only two years away. The third article spoke more about someone who lost their job with the IAEA (international atomic energy agency).

    It may not happen the day McCain is sworn into office (but I hope it does), but they day will come when their nuclear program will be wiped out.  Do you really think that their pursuit of nukes is for peaceful purpose like generating electricity?  Oh, and were you aware that the holocaust never really happened but that was just prefabricate lies?

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  • 02-15-2008 9:18 AM In reply to cc431

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    Having enough uranium doesn't matter if they're not using it to make bombs.  The US has enough weapons to pretty much destroy the whole world, but I have no reason to believe they'll do that.  Denying the Holocaust (and there is debate about whether or not he actually does - the word "myth" in his statements is about the mythology created BY the Holocaust rather than the Holocaust itself being a myth) doesn't mean Iran plans to build nuclear weapons and attack the US and Israel.   Iran is surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons and is being pretty explicitly threatened by the US and if I was Iran I'd probably want them too, for defensive purposes.  However, there is no evidence that Iran is currently developing nuclear weapons or that it would use them for offensive purposes, especially when that would be suicidal.

    Also, "wipe off the map" is a mistranslation and a willful misinterpretation by media.   He did not mean "it should be bombed out of existence."   He meant it should be politically dismantled, which is very different.  Go read the extended context and his follow up comments such as:

    "The Iranian Foreign Minister Manuchehr Mottaki has [...] repudiated that his state would want the Jewish state Israel 'wiped off the map'. [...] Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood. 'Nobody can erase a country from the map.' Ahmadinejad was not thinking of the state of Israel but of their regime [...]. 'We do not accredit this regime to be legitimate.' [...] Mottaki also accepted that the Holocaust really took place in a way that six million Jews were murdered during the era of National Socialism."   (Reuters)

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  • 02-15-2008 9:39 AM In reply to inne

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    inne:
    especially when that would be suicidal.

    Suicidal didn't matter to Japan in 1941.  Suicidal didn't matter to Iraq in 1991.  Suicidal doesn't matter to Iran now.

     

    Edited to correct stupid mistake.

     

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  • 02-15-2008 9:41 AM In reply to cc431

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    cc431:

    Apparently you read but filter and filter out at the same time what you don't want to believe.

     And you don't?

    Myra
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  • 02-15-2008 9:42 AM In reply to probe1957

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    Based on what?  And the retaliation/interception of a nuclear launch in this context would be vastly different than anything that has happened before.
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