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Where Does It Come From?!

Last post 01-20-2008 2:06 PM by fuzzy_dogs_mom. 17 replies.
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  • 01-17-2008 12:38 PM

    Where Does It Come From?!

    Okay so it's official... my dog makes secret trips to McDonalds when I'm not looking... maybe Subway...

    Either way I have no idea how that much poop comes out of a 9lbs dog....

    My Nutritionist says my dog should be pooping once and maybe twice a day (3 stool pieces each) with hard/non-foul smelling stool.

    Ha... okay well she poops 2-3 times a day... a LOT each time...

    I just changed her diet so I'm like okay just wait it out.... but gosh this stuff is nasty!!! And WHERE DOES IT COME FROM?!?! I only feed her 1 cup or less of food each day!!

    Anyone else have a dog around this size??? How often to they do number two?

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  • 01-17-2008 12:42 PM In reply to Pomeranian <3

    Re: Where Does It Come From?!

    just to give you some perspective...my 15-20lbs hounds, eat 1 1/2 c. per day, on checking with other Beagle folks some 13" 15lb'ers get by on 3/4 c per day...you may be over feeding. Bag requirements are often overestimations.

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  • 01-17-2008 12:44 PM In reply to rwbeagles

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     THAT HAS TO BE IT.... THANK YOU! haha... okay that is the first solution I am going to try :o)

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  • 01-17-2008 12:44 PM In reply to rwbeagles

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    Re: Where Does It Come From?!

    My 55 lb. hound eats 2 cups a day (Natural Balance) plus assorted healthy training treats, and the occasional raw goodie. 90 lber gets 3-3.5 cups a day. If you're feeding a quality food (which I seem to recall from another thread you are) then I'd think 1 cup for a toy dog is probably overfeeding unless that dog has the metabolism of a gnat.

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  • 01-17-2008 12:46 PM In reply to houndlove

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    ahhhh okay okay.... thank you houdlove!!!!!! *hugs* 

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  • 01-17-2008 12:48 PM In reply to Pomeranian <3

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    Re: Where Does It Come From?!

     My Zhi weighs 11 pounds and poops once a day.  It is so tiny I have to make sure I'm watching or I'll lose it!  She is on 1/4 cup of Core Reduced Fat (she gains weight very easily) plus recreational bones or the odd chicken wing, pork/lamb neckbone, baby rabbit, whatever.  Plus a dab of crock pot topper, or veggie mix, or canned fish.

    ETA:  Here she is so you can see she is not skinny.  Cresteds are supposed to be sort of whippet-shaped but unlike a sight hound she tends to get chubby.


     

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  • 01-17-2008 12:54 PM In reply to Pomeranian <3

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    Re: Where Does It Come From?!

    What comes out has a lot to do with what goes in. 

    My guys are roughly the same size and eat roughly the same amount.  Really I don't get down to exact measurements.  Funny Timmy a little smaller and weighs less  than Sprite seems to have more volume in the output department.  My GF dog Snowy who is about the same weight as Sprite but taller and thinner bodied has about the same volume as Timmy and Breezy who is about Sprites weight and body build pretty much matches Sprite so go figure.  Btw, they all eat the same brand of food.  I just attribute it to the individual animal. 

    I really don't worry about as long as they don't have really loose stools.  I think that people tend to over-analyze the situation. 

    I wonder what Freud would say about poop analysis.

     

     

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  • 01-17-2008 9:58 PM In reply to Pomeranian <3

    Re: Where Does It Come From?!

    Pomeranian <3:

    Either way I have no idea how that much poop comes out of a 9lbs dog....

    I sympathize - I've been there. And we still struggle occasionally. 

    Both my dogs are between 8 and 9 lbs. One of them has a tendency to voluminous stools. Took me ages to figure out what's causing this. 


    My Nutritionist says my dog should be pooping once and maybe twice a day (3 stool pieces each) with hard/non-foul smelling stool.

    I would agree that that sounds like a good average/ideal. 

    Ha... okay well she poops 2-3 times a day... a LOT each time...

     Huge sausages???


    I just changed her diet so I'm like okay just wait it out....

    I'm sorry, I've only been here a short time and don't know which food you have been or are feeding? 


    but gosh this stuff is nasty!!! And WHERE DOES IT COME FROM?!?! I only feed her 1 cup or less of food each day!!
     

    If the stools are foul-smelling then I would be really concerned. This can point to either a food ingredient really not agreeing with her (like a type of grain, for example); or even some health issue. Also, the large volume is a concern, because it could indicate that she's actually not absorbing the nutrients very well.

    As others said: 1 cup sounds like quite a lot (assuming your dog is "moderately" active and not involved in something like agility etc.) - esp. if you're feeding a high-quality food that is nutrient-dense. However, presumably your dog is not overweight? Metabolism is a very individual thing, so she may possibly need that much.

    I always look at the calories first. There is wide variation among the dry foods. I'm just looking at the info for California Natural: 511 calories per cup (!). That's very high. Some dry foods only have 330 cal/cup. So that would be the first thing to check.

    The general guideline (as per NRC) for dogs of 8-10lbs. weight is around 350 cals. per day for a moderately active dog; less for a couch potato.  My dogs actually need less (around 250-300). Some small dogs need more. But 350 is a pretty good and generous target IMHO.

    The next thing I would look at is the distribution of protein and carbs and fat in the food. My super-pooper poodle does not handle carbs very efficiently - they simply transform into very bulky stools. Plus grains make his poop really smelly - that unpleasant fecal smell. Whereas on potato-based foods the smell is non-existent. So I would look at amount of carb and type of carb to see whether that is a factor in the quality of the stools.

    OTOH, some dogs do not handle a high-protein food easily, and that too can result in unpleasant smelly stools. Once you figure out what is the element that is causing the problem (High carbs? Grain carbs? High protein? Fiber type?) you should be able to find a food that your dog absorbs well and the end waste product is small and smells inoffensive.

    The solution for my poopy boy turned out to be finding the ideal ratio between protein and carb for him, plus the right amount and type of fiber. The fiber really helps the gut to process the food much more effectively. Some dogs do well with beet pulp, some with flax, some with tomato pomace ...

    Additionally, I give my boy a large helping of a high-strength probiotic every night. That cut the size of his morning poop virtually into half (!). Plus cleaned up any smelliness. 

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  • 01-18-2008 12:03 AM In reply to FussyPoodles

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    My guess would be the soy. When Em was on a vegetarian diet, for a while (due to serious health problems), her stools were quite large, and slightly mushy.

     

    Of course, she is Emma. Her stools are slighly mushy, at best, regardless of what she eats. 



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  • 01-18-2008 3:59 AM In reply to jennie_c_d

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    Re: Where Does It Come From?!

    My sister's dog is 75 pounds, but I don't know how he poops as much as he does.. he seriously poops at least 3x/day. This is A LOT when your dog poops like 5 times per WEEK. AND it's a lot bigger and smellier than Cherokee's. They eat the same food, same amount even (2 cups of Canidae per day), but his poop is seriously like 10 times the volume of Cherokee's, 10 times as stinky too. It's insane. He's eaten several different foods, and they all have pretty much the same output. I don't get it.

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  • 01-18-2008 11:49 AM In reply to Pomeranian <3

    Re: Where Does It Come From?!

    Thank you for all of the awesome advice. Let me know if you think this is a good start???

    She is now on 1/2 cup per day [1/4 in the morning, 1/4 in the evening]

    If this doesn't work I am going to assume it may be the Soy & Rice now in her new food. I will then switch back to something organic.

    If THIS doesn't work I'll try the other suggestions :o)

    I'm going to keep you guys posted! 

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  • 01-18-2008 12:04 PM In reply to Pomeranian <3

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    Re: Where Does It Come From?!

    Just wanted to add my two are each 11 pounds and they both get 1/2 cup of food/day.


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  • 01-18-2008 5:16 PM In reply to Pomeranian <3

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    Pomeranian <3:
    I will then switch back to something organic.
     

    That may not help with your problem. Most organic foods are full of grains since organic meat is so expensive.

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  • 01-18-2008 5:19 PM In reply to Gizmo83036

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     Thanks for the input Gizmo! I will keep my eye on the Ingredients... I'm getting pickier and pickier lately to watch for food allergies

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  • 01-18-2008 9:53 PM In reply to Pomeranian <3

    Re: Where Does It Come From?!

    Max is 60 lbs. and he only eats between 1-1/2 and 2 cups a day.  And he poops a lot.  Sometimes we use three bags on a walk.  If I go a couple of days without "poop scooping" the back yard, it looks like I've been operating a kennel out there. I can't figure out where it all comes from as he doesn't get all that many treats during the day - not enough to account for that much poop.

    Joyce

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