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We did a bunch of training tonight (frisbee and agility)

Last post 11-21-2007 10:50 AM by tashakota. 8 replies.
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  • 11-15-2007 9:02 PM

    We did a bunch of training tonight (frisbee and agility)

     Poor Neiko - I probably over worked him tonight but I knew we wouldn't have time for a walk, so the next best thing is training :)

    First, I've been having a discussion on the disc dog forums about training Neiko for 100% return on toss and catch. They suggested back chaining  to get the dog to pick up the frisbee then drop on command. So, tonight I dug out the clicker and worked on it. Neiko started with the nose touch and paw touch to the frisbee to get some treats - he's pretty good at that. Then I waited him out to see if he would figure out to mouth it. After many turns around the room and some frustrated whining, he mouthed the frisbee. He got a jackpot of treats. Then I waited him out for him to pick the frisbee up - which he did after even more frustrated whining and a bark or 2 :) (I'm so mean). I ended the session when he picked the frisbee up and tossed it down quickly. I figured that's enough for 1 day (took about 15 mins to get to that point). That was a pretty good first step I think.

    He will take frisbees from me if I say "take it" but he won't pick them up off the ground and bring them to me. So that's what I'm going for eventually. Also, if I say "find the frisbee" he will run around until he finds it and put his paw on it then he runs off. When I say find the frisbee - I actually want him to find it, pick it up and bring it to me. Sounds easy but we have to do it step by step.

    After the frisbee session, we went to agility where we were introduced to the UKC obstacle that has a table, jump then table where they have to sit on the small table in front of the jump, then jump, then pretty much land in a sit position on the other table. I'm not sure what it's called but I knew we were going to have problems with that one. Neiko is way too fast for something like that. But after a bunch of tries and breaking it down in to very small steps, he figured out what I wanted and slid in to a sit on the other side of the jump (we actually didn't have a bar on the jump). I was so proud. That took a lot of self control for him.

    We worked on our control on the dog walk too (not at full height). Tonight, he went at exactly my pace instead of going kamikaze across it. So, if I walked next to the dog walk - he walked across it. If I ran next to the dog walk, he ran across it. He kept in perfect pace with me. That was pretty cool for his 2nd time seeing it :)

    We also did the table, teeter (although the teeter was on the floor), tire, box and low jumps. I made him down stay quite a bit when it wasn't our turn and he never broke his stay even with all the chaos going on around him. We also worked on lots of turning and here's, watch me's etc.

    So, all of these discussions we've been having lately have really helped me to think about what we're doing and need to be doing. So, thanks all! 

     

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  • 11-16-2007 9:42 AM In reply to Jewlieee

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    Re: We did a bunch of training tonight (frisbee and agility)

    Neiko is going to be a good dog! You sound like you have stuff under control. Your comment about the dog walk and speed control made me think about something I do with Belle. I discovered at the last fun event that we went to, that Belle LITERALLY stops at the apex of the teeter not just slow down, well guess what I slow drastically down at that point to catch her at the contact and make her wait. She is watching me! Good Belle! Bad Mom! Now I have to make sure "I" complete the obstacle. :-) They really do look to us for direction.
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  • 11-16-2007 10:51 AM In reply to Jewlieee

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    Re: We did a bunch of training tonight (frisbee and agility)

    Neiko is a champion athlete! he is made up of muscles and bones just like we are. after a hard training session make sure and stretch his muscles. flexibility training is just as important as any other type of training! stretch spot! :) keep up the good work...
    stretch spot!

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  • 11-20-2007 9:04 AM In reply to raquel

    Re: We did a bunch of training tonight (frisbee and agility)

     Do you really want your dog to always be running by your side?  ;)  I don't.  And that's because I need them to finish the obstacle regardless of where I am.  And if their speed is dependent on how fast I'm going, well, phfftt they can run a heck of a lot faster than me!

    Tasha is a very fast dog and very agile and athletic.  But she runs by my side.  So she runs as fast as I do.  Which means if it's a twisty course, we're going pretty slow and won't make time.  So just something to think about. 

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  • 11-20-2007 10:36 AM In reply to tashakota

    Re: We did a bunch of training tonight (frisbee and agility)

     

    Do you really want your dog to always be running by your side?  ;)

    Absolutely not! I did question the instructor about that and she said that right now this is good because it is teaching him impulse control. He is a very fast dog that likes to kamikazee through obstacles. So for him to be under my verbal and body language control like that over one of his fav. obstacles is a big improvement (so she says and I tend to agree) 

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  • 11-20-2007 1:07 PM In reply to Jewlieee

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    Re: We did a bunch of training tonight (frisbee and agility)

    I have a friend with an Aussie that started agility with Belle, and is once again taking it with us. Her dog has improved tremendously but boy does she battle the impulse control. Our trainer has her correcting the dog when she "inches" her stay before she releases her. She said the dog MUST learn to wait for the handler. I hope Neiko isn't like her dog, she has the patience of Job, but she can't run a course because the dog goes wacky. We have decided we need to put some of Rowena's drive into Belle and some of Belle's laid backness into Rowena. Those two would never be adversely reacted by doing so.
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  • 11-20-2007 1:21 PM In reply to Maxs Mom

    Re: We did a bunch of training tonight (frisbee and agility)

    ha, no he doesn't inch. If I give the slightest body language though for him to break his stay and start the course he is all over it. Sometimes I test him like you would testing a dog to listen for the right word. I'll put him in a stay and act like I'm about to start running the course just to drive it home that he can't go until he gets the correct signal. You should see him flinch and catch himself so that he doesn't break his stay ;p 

    Everyone has said so far that he really watches me and I have good control over him considering his age - so hopefully that will only improve with practice and time. Every now and then though he'll dart off to do an obstacle and look at me like "look, I'm such a good dog! I just did that tunnel! Aren't you going to reward me?" 

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  • 11-20-2007 1:25 PM In reply to Maxs Mom

    Re: We did a bunch of training tonight (frisbee and agility)

    Yay Neiko! I love that he is going to be a disc dog. That is so cool and Aussie's always have such style when discing (I think I am making that a word for this post).

    Maxs Mom:
    I have a friend with an Aussie that started agility with Belle, and is once again taking it with us. Her dog has improved tremendously but boy does she battle the impulse control.

    The above quote is Luna. She is a nut and we are still working on single obstacles (also due to my long lay-up). She needs to learn that impulse control and how to take it down a notch and get each thing correct before we start putting them together. I keep looking on the bright side, once she does get it together, she is going to be a great agility dog. It just may be 5 years from now. Stick out tongue It sounds like Neiko is learning to rein it in when asked which is a great!

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  • 11-21-2007 10:50 AM In reply to Pit_Pointer_Aussie

    Re: We did a bunch of training tonight (frisbee and agility)

     For impulse control, look up the In Focus series by Judy Keller, et al.  They have one called Crying for Control.  It has a lot of great impulse control games that work on the dog choosing to be in control in order to get what they want.  No corrections, just no reward.  So P- instead of P+.  The recent Special Edition of Clean Run on Motivation and Control also has a lot of great stuff in it.

    One of the articles was about start line stays and how the handler teaches it using a toy.  She either releases to the front or back of the dog by tossing the toy there.  The dog learns that mom is unpredictable and to not move until released so they know where to go.  Good stuff.  :D
     

    Leslie and the kids..
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