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New Technique

Last post 10-22-2007 6:34 PM by Chuffy. 11 replies.
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  • 09-09-2007 5:46 PM

    New Technique

    Okay! So I'm trying to teach my dog the stay move. On this training book I borrowed from the library. It tells you one way to try to teach him the move. It says to tell your dog to sit,(my dog knows that trick) and the say stay. I did that and when I started backing away, he started following me. Before I even ssid the release move which is ok. I kept doing this technique for a few minutes, but then I stopped because I wasn't sure this would be the easiest technique for Brownie. So can anyone please give me an easier technique for my dog that you might've taught your dog or got from a training book. The book I used was Dog Training For Dummies if that helps.[:D]
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  • 09-10-2007 2:24 AM In reply to luv_my_brownie

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    RE: New Technique

    i used the the same method you are talking about for one dog, and then a few years later used the clicker method. the clicker method (which doesnt use stay, but rather a release cue) was much faster. i like this guys videos...just to give you an idea...but he doesnt really touch on RELEASE..

    http://www.youtube.com/user/lovecanines
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  • 09-10-2007 2:41 AM In reply to luv_my_brownie

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    RE: New Technique

    here is STAY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-_GBC8PwA

    this is a bit different than my trainer did it. instead of moving back to the dog and click-treat, we trained a cue to "release" and have the dog come to me. within a few days, i could put the puppy in stay and hide in another room and call out the RELEASE CUE and he would come find me.

    I am sorry to suggest not just a method, but an entire theory...its just that CLICKING worked SO FAST...i really couldnt believe it. but if you want to stick to the way you are working now, i suggest baby steps. literally. and holding him there, with you close by NOT walking away ands work your way up to one step, then two. with walter it took me about a week to make my way down the hallway a bit!

    good luck!
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  • 09-10-2007 1:05 PM In reply to luv_my_brownie

    RE: New Technique

    when training the stay, train only one of these items at a time: distance from you, duration of stay, and presence of distractions.
    I'd start out working on duration. Have him sit next to you and reward him with food treats as long as he stays there, then release him. Start out with very short times, say two seconds. Once he can sit there next to you for a few minutes, start walking around him in a circle while he stays. Then you start moving further away from him.
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  • 09-13-2007 7:45 PM In reply to mudpuppy

    Re: RE: New Technique

    I started with feeding time...

    1. Fill Bowl.
    2. Show Bowl to Dog.
    3. "Sit!"
    4. "Good boy, Good Sit."
    5. "Stay!"
      1. "Good boy, Good Stay."
      2. "Hey!" and pull away the food bowl.
    6.  Have him stay for a short duration, "Break!"
    7. Dog goes after food.

    Atlas will remain sitting there while I roam around the kitchen doing other things for a few minutes, he even lays on the floor and moans sometimes until I say "Break!"

    I'm now working on play by doing this all over while throwing a ball... he is picking it up pretty quickly. 

     

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  • 09-23-2007 5:45 PM In reply to luv_my_brownie

    Re: New Technique

    What I do is, I have the dog sit.  Now (this bit is important) DON'T SAY ANYTHING!  Just reward.  Now wait a heartbeat or two and reward again.  After a few reps, get up and move.  (The last thing you want is a dog that will stay but ONLY if he is sat just THERE.)

     "Sit!"  - slightly longer pause - reward again.  With the dog sitting besde you, move the foot farthest from the dog forward as if about to take a step. STOP! get another reward in before the dog moves!  Repeat, transfer your weight forward this time... repeat, take maybe two steps and step right back.... repeat, pivot to face the dog and step back.....

    Keep the rewards thick and fast initially.  Make it easy for the dog.  He should be thinking "wow, this is so simple, all I got to do is SIT HERE and great stuff happens!!"

    Build up to taking several steps OR expecting the dog to wait just a little longer each time.  Every so often, cough up quickly to keep the dog alert and guessing.  He should be watching you intently tinking "any minute now, as long as I keep still, something great will happen!" 

    Walk back to the dog, don't recall, at least initially.

    Right - now that you can be reasonably sure the dog has got the hang of it, he is going to sit and stay there, NOW introduce your cue to "stay".  You can be fairly sure it wont be "contaminated".  (If you have a contaminated Stay-word, try starting over with another, like Wait)  Say it in a non obtrusive voice and don't accompany it with a hand signal yet - especially if you have used food as a reward.  The dog is more likely to move forward to investigate!  So, say "sit" and then "stay" and, at this point (the first time you say it) go back to the beginning and barely move from the dogs side before stepping back and rewarding him.  Don't give him chance to "poison" the word by getting it wrong first time!

    Now go ahead and build up the length of time and distance from you and once the dog can do that well in various parts of your house, try it outside in the garden.... and gradually introduce distractions.... any time you go up a level, reintroduce plaenty of rewards and make it easier for the dog in other ways.  So, say, first time he does it in a park, dont ask for it for long and go back to barely moving from his side before stepping back.  It feels like you're starting over each time you raise the bar, but the dog will  "learn" it faster each subsequent time and will be more reliable when he has finally generalised it.  When first doing this one out in the wide world have a trailing line on the dog. 

    Edit to add: This is even easier with a clicker!  Basically the same technique, just a click while the dog is sitting still while you are moving about as described... and then go back and reward.  Best part is,it doesnt matter if the dog does get up once you've clicked... as long as the click happened while he was in the right position.  Its easier because you cant give always your dog a reward from across the room.... but he can still hear the click no matter where you are and he knows he did right and the reward is coming.

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  • 09-29-2007 8:43 PM In reply to Chuffy

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    Re: New Technique

    When I started stay, I rewarded for inaction, as in not moving. Then, when I started with  the clicker, I would click and treat after a certain amount of time. And I would toss the treat near him. Then, he would hold the stay so that I could work on recall. But the way to lengthen a stay is sometimes best served by suspending use of the clicker. Treat through the stay, then give a release, such as another behavior which can be clicked and treated.

     

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  • 09-29-2007 11:39 PM In reply to ron2

    Re: New Technique

    I use a small raised platform to teach stay. This has really helped the dogs to learn to keep their feet still and their butt tucked into a nice square sit. Then once they've got that, I use oppositional reflex to increase their understanding.

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  • 10-22-2007 5:21 PM In reply to luv_my_brownie

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    Re: New Technique

    These are all wonderful training tips and should help you alot  KUDOS to all who posted!!

     

    I just want to touch on one thing:  Your release command.  You should never use "OK" as your release.  I stress this with my clients.  You really have no idea how many times in normal conversation people use the word "OK".  You have to remember that your dog is hanging on every word looking for that very word, "OK".  If someone in a conversation with you says it, the dog could jump up and be all excited thinking they did this great job at staying, and you never realized they even said the word.  So, you will correct the dog for breaking the stay, which will only  confuse your dog.  Use a release command such as "All Done" or "Free".  Hope this helps.

    PS-now you will start listening for how many times people say "OK", LOL

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  • 10-22-2007 5:32 PM In reply to luv_my_brownie

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    Re: New Technique

    KUDOS to all of you who offered training tips, they are great, and you should do well following their information.

     

    I just wanted to touch on one important point, your release command, "OK"

    I stress to all of my training clients to never use the word, "OK" as their release command.  Most people have no idea how many times we use the word "OK" in everyday conversations.  Your dog is hanging on every word said listening for that very word to be uddered.  As soon as it is, whether or not it was said by you or someone else, and whether or not you realize you said it or someone else did, they will jump up thinking that they just did the greatest thing by staying until the "WORD" was spoken!  LOL  You, thinking they had just broken the stay are now correcting your dog for something they did right, in so, confusing the dog.  Use a release command like "All Done" or "Free".  It will make for less confusion for you and your dog!  Best of luck to you!

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  • 10-22-2007 5:35 PM In reply to luv_my_brownie

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    Re: New Technique

    Sorry I posted twice, my computer had a "moment" and I didn't think it posted.  Confused

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  • 10-22-2007 6:34 PM In reply to luv_my_brownie

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