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8 yo dog with Thyroid problems?????

Last post 07-31-2007 11:50 PM by calliecritturs. 68 replies.
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  • 07-27-2007 2:56 PM In reply to kelly25369

    RE: 8 yo dog with Thyroid problems?????

    probe1957:
    You often encourage people to challenge and question their vet. Yet, when we challenge and question Dr. Dodd's protocol, you get upset. Can we have a little consistency please? 

    Maybe Callie didn't express herself as well as she could have (I don't always either), but she asked not to have the thread derailed on a discussion of Dr. Dodd.  "I don't trust Dr. Dodd" is all that was needed in this thread if you didn't agree with Callie.
     
    Take this discussion of Dr. Dodd to the appropriate thread.  This thread is about a sick dog. 
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  • 07-27-2007 3:11 PM In reply to kelly25369

    RE: 8 yo dog with Thyroid problems?????

    Wow Janet.  This is really weird.  Over there under your name, I don't see any MODERATOR label.  I gotta get a new monitor.  [;)]
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  • 07-27-2007 3:40 PM In reply to kelly25369

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    RE: 8 yo dog with Thyroid problems?????

    Comments on other papers, case reports,  and editing chapters is not a published trial in the area of breed specific thyroid monitoring.  She has not published in a peer reviewed journal that her protocol is any better then anything else.  Questioning a clinician's protocol is not rude.  To say that is uniformed and actually quite silly and shows poor understanding of how the medical community functions.  I in fact have a paper in press that counters a paper written by renound expert in trauma in regards to the appropriate treatment of colonic injury (primary anastomosis vs. colostomy and surgical education).  Any expert should be able to back up their recommendations with research or evidence and understand that things changes as new advances become available.  It's astounding to me that you would imply that it's not rude to tell one vet "i'm paying you do what I want" but it is rude to question another.  I think it is clear who the rude people are here.  The people who actually care about what happens to these poster's pets want the best information given with the most amount of support, not to feel like the expert and be free from questioning.  Every time on the human threads I give an answer and some one asks a question, I respond.  It's not rude to question, it's appropriate.  Again, I stress it's important to understand how to evaluate things you see on the net and understand how to read research if you are giving advice.  It's fine to say in my experience this worked, it's not fine to imply that the poster's vet is incompetent when you know better when you don't. 


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  • 07-27-2007 4:16 PM In reply to kelly25369

    RE: 8 yo dog with Thyroid problems?????

    probe1957:
    Wow Janet. This is really weird. Over there under your name, I don't see any MODERATOR label. I gotta get a new monitor. 

    Nope, no moderator label by my name.  Just a member that is disgusted when people hijack someone else's thread to harp on their own pet peeves.  In this case on the idea that dog owners shouldn't request particular tests or pick the test laboratory.  I am out of this thread except to address the OP.
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  • 07-27-2007 4:34 PM In reply to kelly25369

    RE: 8 yo dog with Thyroid problems?????

    ORIGINAL: janet_rose

    <snipped>Just a member that is disgusted when people hijack someone else's thread to harp on their own pet peeves.  <snipped>

     
    Well then, stop doing it.  Most of us appear to be discussing Dr. Dodd, a self proclaimed expert on canine thyroid disorders, if I'm not mistaken, which, in case you hadn't noticed, is related to the topic of this thread.
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  • 07-29-2007 4:49 PM In reply to kelly25369

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    RE: 8 yo dog with Thyroid problems?????

    So far, I've had 2 GSDs with hypothyroidism.  Reno, my first, had symptoms including fear aggression, restlessness, underweight, some minor skin issues.  I was in a appointment with a behaviorist for his fear aggression when the Dr. suggested doing a blood test for thyroid.  He found Re's levels very low.  He was on meds twice a day for the rest of his life with tests done every 6 months.  Once he leveled off, the majority of his issues disappeared. 
     
    Chazz is a different story.  He has major skin issues due to his low thyroid.  He also has major allergies to food and environment.  He's also on thyroxine 2 x daily and gets checked every 6 months.  Keeping his thyroid in check doesn't really help his other problems, it just keeps them from being worse.
     
    The best place to buy the meds I've found is valleyvet.com.  For the dosage of thyroxine he requires, I get 1000 pills for 58.95 and free shipping.
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  • 07-31-2007 10:22 PM In reply to kelly25369

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    RE: 8 yo dog with Thyroid problems?????

    This thread and the one in General Chat really bothered me with the back and forth concerning Dr. Dodds.  When a family's dog is ill the average dog owner has to rely on dog professionals and those experienced with the condition.  The average dog owner is concerned, very emotional concerned about their dog and then on top of it has to now be concerned with who do you trust.  It has to be enough for the dog owner to trust their vet and discuss any information they have acquired such as Dr. Dodds's protocal method.  The dog owner has to be satisfied with their vet's responses for that trust to continue.

    I contacted my oncologist vet at UIUC and asked her opinion on Dr. Dodds and MSU.  She inturn talked with the internal medicine.  This is part of the response I received.

    "Okay, so the recommendation I received was this:
    In a dog suspected of having hypothyroidism, initial diagnostics include a full thyroid panel, which we submit to MSU.  Once therapy is started, monitoring is done by just total T4 (in house test).  Because there is no one test to precisely diagnose the disease, the full panel likely provides the most accurate information."

     
    Now I don't know if the vet understood what I was asking because she did not comment on the research papers.  I am going down to UIUC later this week so I will be able to ask them face to face.  But from the response, it looks like a major vet university is using MSU.  I will clarify this.

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  • 07-31-2007 11:29 PM In reply to kelly25369

    RE: 8 yo dog with Thyroid problems?????

    But from the response, it looks like a major vet university is using MSU. I will clarify this.

     
        My veterinary dermatologist is at Purdue and she sent Jessie's blood to MSU, so that's at least two major vet universities.
    Janice
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  • 07-31-2007 11:50 PM In reply to kelly25369

    RE: 8 yo dog with Thyroid problems?????

    DPU don't forget -- the thyroid panel STAYS THE SAME.  The blood test is pretty much exactly the same no matter where you get it.  It's the protocols by which that test is evaluated that are different.  When I had Billy's done last year (amidst the whole IMHA thing) -- UF was happy as a clam to involve Michigan State with the thryoid panel reading and one of the reasons was because it was so well known that MS had just done this enormous thyroid 'study' on other drug effects on thyroid supplementation (particularly pred that I know of)

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