"The Myth of Pet Overpopulation" Nathan Winograd's Book

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    "The Myth of Pet Overpopulation" Nathan Winograd's Book

    The Book HSUS and PETA Don#%92t Want You to Read

    The Consumer Freedom interview with Redemption author Nathan Winograd

    Nathan Winograd is a Stanford Law School graduate and a former criminal prosecutor. He has also [linkhttp://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/weeklyforum/bionwinograd.cfm]presided over America#%92s two most successful experiments in what#%92s become known as the “No-Kill” animal shelter movement[/link]. At SPCAs in San Francisco and Tompkins County, New York, Winograd showed that [linkhttp://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/]No-Kill animal sheltering[/link] -- the brand of hands-on animal care that deep-pocketed animal “rights” groups like PETA and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) ironically oppose -- can work.
    In his book Redemption, Winograd argues that the idea of pet overpopulation in America is a myth. PETA cites this “overpopulation” as the reason it [linkhttp://www.petakillsanimals.com/]kills nearly 90 percent of the dogs and cats it takes in[/link]. And the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) literally [linkhttp://www.amazon.com/Humane-Society-United-Euthanasia-Training/dp/0965894266/]wrote the book[/link] on a system of animal sheltering that seems resigned to killing healthy pets out of sheer laziness, instead of looking for alternatives.
    After we read Redemption, we had some tough questions for Winograd. And he graciously agreed to answer them.
    CCF: Right on the cover of your book, you call the idea of pet overpopulation in the United States a "myth." Are you saying that there are enough homes for every healthy, unwanted pet?

    Winograd: Yes. Based on the number of existing households with pets who have a pet die or run away, more homes potentially become available each year for cats than the number of cats who enter shelters, while more than twice as many homes potentially become available each year for dogs than the number of dogs who enter shelters.
    Put another way, every year more families are potentially looking to bring a new dog or cat into their home than the animals that enter shelters. And the market of homes (the number of homes which do not currently have a dog or cat but will acquire one) is expanding rapidly. If shelters increased their market share by just a few percentage points, we could be a No Kill nation right now. But we are far from it.
    As a movement, the humane community has accepted the idea that the best shelters can do for homeless animals is to adopt out some and kill the rest. To try to avoid criticism for this, to justify a paltry number of adoptions, these groups have perpetuated the myth that there are simply more animals than homes, something that is patently false (even though most people believe it).
    Redemption offers a stunning indictment of the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). Why does such a wealthy animal rights organization appear so disinterested in saving the lives of cats and dogs?
    HSUS is the wealthiest humane organization in the United States. Since its founding in the mid-1950s, it has grown in scope, size, and influence. It claims the support of some 10 million members, while its conference which caters to shelters is currently the largest nationwide. Given that, one would predict, expect and hope that it would be at the forefront of the No Kill movement, leading the way to ending the systematic killing of dogs and cats in U.S. shelters. But instead HSUS has been one of No Kill#%92s fiercest and most obstinate opponents.
    One of the fundamental downsides of bureaucracies is their focus on self-preservation at the expense of their mission. Agencies like the Humane Society of the United States have ignored No Kill success and put the interest of animals -- indeed their very lives -- aside.

    What would HSUS stand to lose if American animal shelters all moved toward a “No Kill” philosophy tomorrow?

    Other than a few employees with a deplorable history of supporting the unnecessary killing of dogs and cats in shelters, and perhaps some longstanding relationships with shelter directors mired in killing, absolutely nothing. In fact, they would be hailed as pillars of compassion by the American public. That is what makes their position on this issue (historical and presently) so disturbing.
    If you had HSUS's resources ($200 million in the bank and $150 million of income this year), how much progress could you make toward reforming our nation's animal shelters? What would you do first?
    More money isn#%92t necessary to end the killing of savable dogs and cats in shelters. In fact, most of the programs and services necessary to save lives would actually cost these shelters less than what they are currently spending to warehouse animals and then kill them.
    For example, adoptions generate revenue, they generate good will (which could be leveraged for future donations), and they lead to greater word-of-mouth publicity which leads to more adoptions and more revenue. Killing animals, by contrast, not only costs money (to end an animal#%92s life and dispose of the body), but it also makes the public less satisfied with the job a shelter is doing, especially as the shelter blames that same public for the problem. These are the people a shelter needs to embrace (in the form of adopters, volunteers, and donors) if it#%92s going to save animals#%92 lives.
    Volunteers and foster homes also provide subsidized services, in which private individuals and rescue groups care for shelter animals at no cost to taxpayers. It is a cost-free way to save a great number of dogs and cats. But too many shelters turn these people away at the front door -- while the animals they are trying to help go out the back door in a body bag.
    In short, animals are not dying because of lack of money in the vast majority of U.S. cities.
    Take the municipal animal shelter in Austin, Texas for example. In 2000, its budget was $2.9 million. Now it#%92s $4.8 million. But the number of dogs and cats killed in Austin increased during this time. PETA spends around $30 million every year, but claims it can#%92t save 2,000 dogs and cats. Following the devastation of Hurricane Katrina, Americans donated over $32 million to the Humane Society of the United States, specifically to help the dogs and cats trapped in New Orleans. They spent only a fraction of that money on the problem. What did they do with the rest?

    You have a pretty blunt assessment of PETA's long-standing habit of killing animals instead of working to place them in adoptive homes. Why should the public believe PETA's line about saving pigs and chickens if it's not willing to start with dogs and cats?
    This, to me, is the great betrayal in PETA#%92s position. If groups like PETA openly champion the killing of dogs and cats in shelters, if they do not take the position that killing dogs and cats is inherently unethical and should be condemned, how do they expect to convince the public that pigs, chickens, and other animals -- with whom Americans do not have a close relationship -- should have more protections?
    If the animal rights community, which claims to be the standard bearer for what our relationship with animals should be, approves of the idea of killing millions of animals in shelters, doesn#%92t that undermine their ultimate goals? The old adage “With friends like these, who needs enemies?” could not be more true.

    What's beneath the surface of PETA's apparent hypocrisy here? Why do you think the group doesn't endorse a “No Kill” philosophy, or at least stop tasking its employees with killing pets?

    I can only think of one possibility. PETA#%92s founder, Ingrid Newkirk, previously worked at the Washington Humane Society in Washington, DC, a shelter that has historically been the subject of public criticism for high rates of shelter killing. In fact, at a time when Stanford University was having great success with its program to save homeless cats on its campus, the Washington Humane Society opposed my effort to create a similar program on the Georgetown University campus. In the end, Georgetown sided with the Washington Humane Society, which embraced a campaign of extermination.
    Few animal activists who follow PETA#%92s lead on the companion animal issue are probably aware that its founder#%92s former job was to kill homeless dogs and cats in a shelter that had a poor record for saving lives.
    Isn't it a bit hypocritical for groups like PETA and HSUS to be front-and-center in the Michael Vick story? Nobody with half a brain supports dog fighting, but isn't killing dogs out of sheer convenience just as nasty?

    The thought of what those poor dogs went through is personally very painful to me. If the public pressure created by these groups led to Vick#%92s suspension from the NFL, a positive thing has been accomplished. If it leads to greater penalties for people who do this, again that is positive. And as a former Deputy District Attorney who prosecuted animal cruelty cases, I believe that if Michael Vick is found guilty, he should be punished severely.
    But while PETA applauds the prosecution of Michael Vick, it fought similar efforts by a prosecutor in North Carolina who went after PETA employees for needlessly killing animals and dumping their bodies in supermarket trash bins.
    And while PETA condemns Michael Vick for killing Pit Bull-type dogs, PETA itself is on record saying that each and every Pit Bull entering a U.S. animal shelter should be killed as a matter of policy -- including healthy and friendly dogs. By its actions, words, and deeds, PETA is condemning hundreds of thousands of dogs annually to death.
    HSUS is no better. HSUS once called the mass extermination of alley cats the only “practical and humane” solution. Why is the needless killing of millions of cats “humane,” especially in the face of non-lethal lifesaving alternatives?
    In your book, you mention briefly the connection between shelter adoption rates and retail pet sales. Can you flesh this out a bit? Does this indicate that there are plenty of homes for adoptable animals?

    When San Francisco became the first city in the U.S. to save all healthy, homeless dogs and cats, and was effectively talking to the public about pet adoption, there was not a single pet store left in the city selling dogs and cats. It didn#%92t start out that way, but that was the result. Why? Because they couldn#%92t compete with the SPCA.
    Americans want to do the right thing, and they saw shelter adoption as a way to save lives and bring the joys of animal companionship into their homes. By contrast, when you look at cities with high levels of shelter killing, you also tend to see large numbers of pet stores.
    This tells me that the animals in these communities aren#%92t dying because “there are too many dogs and cats, and not enough homes” -- as the shelter directors want you to believe. If that were the case, you wouldn#%92t see so many pet retailers. They exist because there#%92s a market demand for dogs and cats. And because the shelters are doing a lousy job at adopting to the community.
    You make a pretty convincing case that whatever pet "overpopulation" exists in the U.S. is the fault of poorly run shelters, not the public that typically gets blamed for creating the problem. But surely there's something the public can do to help reverse the current situation. What's your bottom-line advice for John Q. Consumer?

    We need to reclaim these institutions. The agencies that the public expects to protect homeless pets are instead killing more than five million of them every year. Lifesaving alternatives have existed for decades. But too many of these agencies remain mired in the “kill” philosophy of the past, unwilling to explore and adopt methods that save lives. This is a breach of their public trust.
    We need to reform animal shelters through lobbying, by making demands at the local government level, and by withholding contributions until they change. We need to hit them right back for advocating killing by using a tactic they understand: the boycott.
    Do not donate to HSUS or any other shelter or agency which refuses to embrace a No Kill philosophy. Let them know that when they decide to do right by the animals, you will be ready to open your checkbook.
    In the end, there may be an overpopulation problem in the United States, but it is not the one we traditionally define. What we are actually suffering from -- what is actually killing a high number of animals -- is an overpopulation of lazy and complacent shelter directors. A culture of lifesaving is not possible without wholesale regime change in shelters, and in national animal protection groups. So the most important single act -- and the crucial first step -- is to fire the current leadership of shelters across the country. That is what the public should demand.
    Redemption: The Myth of Pet Overpopulation and the No Kill Revolution in America is [linkhttp://www.amazon.com/Redemption-Myth-Overpopulation-Revolution-America/dp/0979074304/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-1466119-7143841]available online from Amazon.com[/link] and other retailers. Every copy sold is guaranteed to raise the blood pressure of the wrong-headed activists who run PETA and HSUS.
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    Any animal that can't be rehabilitated should be euthanized. Not all animals are stable enough to be rehomed.

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    Having worked in a shelter, I know that overpopulation is a problem.  The shelter runs out of space, what are they to do then?  Chain them to a dog house out back?  Put 3 or more dogs per kennel?  It may be that there are plenty of homes, but do those homes actually WANT an animal?  And better yet, should those homes have one?

     I don't think changing all the shelters to no-kill will "solve" the problem.
     

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     No having ALL no kill, will just make the problem worse, but most dogs don't even have a fighting chance, they are at a shelter sometimes for a few days at most.

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     So that is why Millions of animals are executed in shelters every year, it's because there is no overpopulation of pets according to book . Confused  It is unbelievable the wild stuff that people make up to try and discredit animal rights groups. Funny, you never see these people helping out in shelters in any way. Guess actually trying to help animals is beneath them..... Easier to right a book full of ridiculous claims. 

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     Take a look around this site.

    http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/index.html

     To this day, animal shelters continue to ignore their own culpability in the killing, while professing to lament it as entirely the fault of the public's failure to spay/neuter or to make lifetime commitments to their animals. Instead of embracing the No Kill philosophy, many shelters are still not sterilizing animals before adoption or providing the public with affordable alternatives. Some do not have foster care programs and do not socialize and/or rehabilitate dogs with behavior issues. Still others do not take animals offsite for adoption, have not developed partnerships with rescue groups, limit volunteerism, are not practicing trap-neuter-release for feral cats, and still retain adoption hours that make it difficult for working people or families to visit the shelter.

    There are many different issues and there is no one size fits all solution.

     

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    You are making that claim about Nathan.  Do you know anything about him and his work?  That is really funny!!!  Who do you think started the no-kill movement!!

     

     

     

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    I hate how the tone of what I've read about this book always seems to be that the shelters aren't interested in placing animals. I mean COME ON, if we could place all the healthy/treatable animals in our shelter every year I (and management) would be incredibly happy, but when you have about 40,000 animals relinquished ANNUALLY between this county and our next door neighbor it's not as simple as finding foster homes, implementing programs, and deciding not to euth.
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    stardog85
    I hate how the tone of what I've read about this book always seems to be that the shelters aren't interested in placing animals. I mean COME ON, if we could place all the healthy/treatable animals in our shelter every year I (and management) would be incredibly happy, but when you have about 40,000 animals relinquished ANNUALLY between this county and our next door neighbor it's not as simple as finding foster homes, implementing programs, and deciding not to euth.

     

    These self appointed experts on shelters, are full of it in my opinion. I have been helping out in shelters for quite awhile and know people that have been involved om shelters for years, and none of them will tell you the BS that is in this book.  He should visit some of the shelters and see what the real world is like... This guy has some whacky agenda that he is trying to push, but it is far from reality.
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    Bobsk8
    These self appointed experts on shelters, are full of it in my opinion. I have been helping out in shelters for quite awhile and know people that have been involved om shelters for years, and none of them will tell you the BS that is in this book.  He should visit some of the shelters and see what the real world is like...

    You really have no idea of the work that he has done. 

    Here is a real short bio.

    Nathan J. Winograd is the Director of the national No Kill Advocacy Center. He is a graduate of Stanford Law School, a former criminal prosecutor and corporate attorney, was director of operations for the San Francisco SPCA and executive director of the Tompkins County SPCA, two of the most successful shelters in the nation. He has spoken nationally and internationally on animal sheltering issues, has written animal protection legislation at the state and national level,  has created successful No Kill programs in both urban and rural communities, and has consulted with a wide range of animal protection groups including some of the largest and best known in the nation.

    Really sounds like he knows nothing about shelters. 

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    I used to work in a big shelter, and it was full. All the time. Dogs would come in, usually owner surrenders, for the most ridiculous reasons-- "we're moving", "we're having a baby", "it's not a puppy anymore" being the most popular. Most appeared to be purebreds, most had been neutered already. Practically no young puppies ever came in.

    They'd be stuck in the "triage" room to be evaluated. Dogs deemed adoptable would move up into the adoption area as soon as there was room; dogs deemed not so adoptable were PTS within a week of arriving. Dogs had two weeks in the adoption room to find a home, then they were PTS to make room for a new arrival. Some of the breed-specific rescues would send someone out to scan the dogs for their breed once or twice a week, and they'd pull them for fostering if and only if they could arrange a foster. Many of the more popular breeds like labs and rotties didn't seem to have an active breed-rescue in place in the area, or possibly were so overwhelmed already why bother looking for dogs in the shelter they knew they couldn't foster.

    I wish at the time I'd polled owner-surrenders about where they got their dog in the first place.

    Cats were even worse. No one wanted to adopt them. I'd say they PTS more than a hundred cats a week, and adopted out less than one per week. Most cats that came in were picked up as strays, often in pretty poor physical condition.  De-clawed neutered very friendly strays, starving to death, clearly thrown out by "caring" owners, were not uncommon.

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    Tim, for all the things we disagree on, this is one thing that i DO agree with you on! i have thought this myself and now i know i'm not alone here...

     

    what the author is saying is that there is NO excuse for the over population in shelters with as many people actively looking to replace pets that have died or been lost.

    in cities where there is a high kill rate there is USUALLY a pet store selling pets somewhere around.

    instead of the people rallying together to put these pet shops out of business they just growl and grumble about John Q not wanting to adopt Scruffy the pound puppy. 

    and i dont know how many of you read the article i posted about the woman adopting who was racing to a shelter to adopt a pit bull puppy who was on its last day. she called and left a message that she was on her way, but when she got there the dog was already dead. and they were leading another puppy out to kill it and she had to deal with the the "Its CLOSING time!" attitude, and she could only adopt that puppy if she had the money with her right then. Obviously these people did not see a potential owner and a happy healthy future for an unwanted puppy. they just saw the clock on the wall and the date on the paper work. TIMES UP!

     

    i'm sure at some shelters they are dedicated to their jobs, but for those few there are just as many that only see a pay check and a steady income... which is better than driving a school bus or living on unemployment. its a JOB.

     

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    I had a similar experience volunteering in a shelter as mudpuppy, though with a little less euth for space. But it is always full. Cats, dogs (and yes, even puppies), small animals, always. And it has a very very low bar set for adopting. If you have a heartbeat, you can adopt. Okay, maybe not that low of a bar but all you had to do was prove that your living space allowed pets and everyone you lived with wanted the pet. That's it. The number one priority of that shetler was GET THE ANIMALS OUT! Make room for more, because there are always more. It's kind of a soul killing place to spend a lot of time because it just never ends.

    Interestingly, it's the huge no-kill shelter in town (the one that gets the most resources as well, since everyone likes to feel all warm and fuzzy about donating to a no-kill shelter but no one wants to give money to those mean people who kill cute puppies) is the one that has massively high standards for adoption. Why shouldn't they? They can keep their animals as long as it takes and just refuse further admissions when they get full. Open door shelters don't have that luxury.

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    I get so tired of seeing info put out by the Center for Consumer Freedom when they are only out, in their own words  "to shoot the messenger. ... We've got to attack their credibility as spokespersons."

    As I posted on another discussion, when the Center For Consumer Freedom was quoted.

    "In a 1999 interview with the Chain Leader, a trade publication for restaurant chains, Berman boasted that he attacks activists more aggressively than other lobbyists. "We always have a knife in our teeth," he said. Since activists "drive consumer behavior on meat, alcohol, fat, sugar, tobacco and caffeine," his strategy is "to shoot the messenger. ... We've got to attack their credibility as spokespersons." "

    "Anyone who criticizes tobacco, alcohol, fatty foods or soda pop is likely to come under attack from CCF. Its enemies list has included such diverse groups and individuals as the Alliance of American Insurers; the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons; the American Medical Association; the Arthritis Foundation; the Consumer Federation of America; New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani; the Harvard School of Public Health; the Marin Institute for the Prevention of Alcohol and Other Drug Problems; the National Association of High School Principals; the National Safety Council; the National Transportation Safety Board; the Office of Highway Safety for the state of Georgia; Ralph Nader's group, Public Citizen; the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC); and the U.S. Department of Transportation."

    As far as the the "No Kill" it is a wonderful idea. I will say that Tompkins County SPCA has done a wonderful job, but I'm not so sure they have all of the answers either.
    Shelters across Central NY finding themselves with more animals than they can handle. This was back in the middle of August. I remember when this was on the news. Tompkins County was stated to be 125% over capacity and started slashing prices on their adoptions...1 cat free for the price of one..dogs reduced down to $75.
    http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=8366d4d3-f80e-472c-a77f-72edd831b54d

    Anyway, I happened to have been at the seminar they put on, the year they had just decided to become a "No Kill". They happen to be in an area where they have a very large pool of financial resources to pull from and also volunteers. Although, as you see, that does not always even save them.

    And then, not all places happen to have those resources and volunteers available and Until I can call any one of those places, that call themselves "No Kill", and get them to take the animals from our local shelter, before they will be euthanized, only then will I say there is "No Kill"

    To get the kind of shelters that are needed to support "No Kill" it's going to take one heck of a lot more money and volunteers than are available now. In our community, we still have euthanasia and I'm a member of a volunteer group trying to keep those numbers down, but we can only do so much. I'd love to see a "No Kill" Nation, but I don't see it happening tomorrow. It's a great thing to work for and it's great there are places like Tompkins County. However, until we can change a lot of peoples minds about where money should be spent, or we can find a tree that grows money and volunteers, I do not see "No Kill" Nation.

    And, actually, most of those that call themselves "No Kill" are still killing. They will just end up calling the animal unadoptable (they still kill unadoptable and ill animals). Not all "No Kill" places have as much of a problem as others, as some have the resources to prevent a lot of this from happening.  But, without the funds and/or volunteer effort, to provide these animals with all that is necessary, to keep them sane in the shelter environment, we will still have euthanasia.

    Speaking of volunteers, just wondering
    How many hours have you spent in your local shelter walking up and down, trying to teach the dogs how to be calm when people walk by them, in order that they will stay adoptable? and/or

    How many Days have you taken cats out of their cages, twice daily, to properly socialize them?...and/or

    Helped walk the shelter dogs, in order that they can get out of their pens at least 3 times daily? and/or

    How much have you helped with medical and behavior rehab programs and/or

    Helped catch, transport and keep overnight, cats for a TNR program? and/or

    Fostered either a dog or cat for your local shelter? and/or

    Been part of a group raising funds to assure that dogs and cats are spayed/neutered before leaving the shelter..and/or

    Worked with your local government, to assure that the city or county funded shelter is open evenings and weekends, so that they are also catering to the working group?,,,and/or

    Helped to establish programs to help owners over come the issues that cause them to surrender their pets?...and/or

    Helped to take pictures and put up on the web the adoptable animals that your local shelter has for adoption....and/or

    etc. etc. and the list goes on as to what needs to be done to help this become a "No Kill Society"
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    I'm not sure I can believe all of that, or maybe my city is just a special case. We have tons of people here who are always looking for dogs and we have a very good shelter that is always full of potential adopters. I live less than a block from it and drive by it several times a day on my way to and from school and the parking lot has lots of cars in it. The vet school has a good samaritan rescue and we spay and neuter all the animals at the shelter (probably at no cost considering students do it). Yet we still have a very popular/successful puppy store in our mall. There are ads in the university paper all the time for free puppies and kittens (the shelter also has an ad everyday). About 85-90% of the people I meet at the dog park and other places have mixed breed adopted dogs, and even purebreds from the local rescues. We have at least one campus organization dedicated to animal rescue, a private fostering agency in addition to the shelter vets club at the vet school. But I think that the main reason people aren't adopting is that the requirements are too stringent. In order to get a dog out here there are a thousand rules and the price is high and you practically have to sign away your soul to get a dog. Especially from the fostering group. I realize there is a need to make sure a dog is compatible with the house, that it will really be going to a better life, that once it leaves the shelter doors it never comes back through them - but they really carry it to the extreme. It's the reason I got Beau and I didn't adopt from the shelter. He was in no danger of being euthanized (the vet school just keeps the dogs until they find homes, they have plenty of space and resources), but he was free and I just had to sign a piece of paper verifying my identity. I couldn't meet all the requirements for the shelter and I probably will never meet all the requirements for the foster group. I think sometimes these groups are out looking for "perfect" owners... when in reality they are few and far between (if they even exist). I think the intentions are good, but their making it difficult for people to adopt is only hurting, not helping.