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H1N1 vaccine

Last post 11-25-2009 3:55 PM by Liesje. 132 replies.
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  • 10-27-2009 11:10 PM In reply to jenn52

    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    jenn52:

    The chemicals in antibacterial soap combine with the clorinated water to create cholorform...

    What, non-internet source, did this come from.  I've never heard that...

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  • 10-27-2009 11:24 PM In reply to BEVOLASVEGAS

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

     Me either... and I am CONSTANTLY washing my hands at work - I use hand sanitizer all the time too - and am not sick or on a constant high at work... Huh?

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  • 10-27-2009 11:41 PM In reply to erica1989

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     On an average day of work i wash my hands (just guessing) about 60 times per shift. They are raw and they hurt, but i'm very healthy.


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  • 10-27-2009 11:44 PM In reply to denise m

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    denise m:
    . They are not screening flu patients, only assuming if you have the flu or flu symptoms it is H1N1.

    Yes, this is true where I am too.  My friends son is sick right now and they are treating him for N1H1 although they never tested for it. 

    I'm not sure what to do about myself. 

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  • 10-27-2009 11:52 PM In reply to BEVOLASVEGAS

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    BEVOLASVEGAS:
    What, non-internet source, did this come from.  I've never heard that...
    Well i originally heard this from my doctor. But there are many University studies on this. I'm sure you can find it on the FDA site.
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  • 10-28-2009 7:58 AM In reply to jenn52

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    Well...reading every post in this whole thread hasn't convinced me to get it.... hasn't convinced me either way.

    Biggest thing that I don't like right now is that we really just don't know long term effects, and that scared me the most.


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  • 10-28-2009 8:03 AM In reply to dyan

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    I'm the same way, dyan.  I don't think I will get the vaccine.  I work in a controlled environment, in my own office, and with approx. 5 other people.  I do meet with clients, but that's not all day every day.  My office is clean and I lysol down my phone/computer every morning, and whenever someone uses anything of of mine in here.

    Derek, on the other hand, is considering getting the vaccine because he works in customer service, and he has people coming in hacking and coughing all over the place, he has sanitizer and i bought him lysol wipes, but dealing with the public all day, he would be at more a risk i think to get it. 

    I don't like the idea of him getting it though, because there's no telling what any effects could be, the peopel who are getting it now are kind of the guinea pigs, in that effects will be learned from them.  But if Derek decides to get it, then that's his decision, I can't tell him no, i can tell him my concerns and he can decide

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  • 10-28-2009 8:13 AM In reply to dyan

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    dyan:

    Well...reading every post in this whole thread hasn't convinced me to get it.... hasn't convinced me either way.

     

     

    Good, please please please check with your doctor if you are unsure whether you should get it


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  • 10-28-2009 8:36 AM In reply to Liesje

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    I'm starting to think maybe Derek should get it?  He has asthma, which is one of the medical conditions to get in for early vaccine.  I don't know.  I'm so worried abou tthis vaccine

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  • 10-28-2009 8:46 AM In reply to l.michelle

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    l.michelle:

    I'm starting to think maybe Derek should get it?  He has asthma, which is one of the medical conditions to get in for early vaccine.  I don't know.  I'm so worried abou tthis vaccine

     

    Most of the people I've heard of who've died have died of complications like pneumonia or other respiratory problems.  If it is recommended for asthmatics, I would most definitely get it.  It seems like that would put him at far greater risk for respiratory complications that could be deadly.  But, I'm no Dr, I would absolutely call and ask....


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  • 10-28-2009 8:50 AM In reply to Liesje

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    Thing is ....................my sister has asthma....  and she gets the regular flu shot each year ( has for years )....she gets sick every year....stays sick forever.... has to be on tons of expensive antibiotics which make her feel even worse............and I am just wondering if she did NOT get that flu shot if she would be better off.

    Seriously.


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  • 10-28-2009 9:21 AM In reply to dyan

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    I hope this doesn't stir up a can of worms, but....I'm surprised at the number of folks who say you should get it "because you work around children, patients, public, etc". Again, coming from a totally science background....gettting the flu vaccine only (hopefully) prevents you from getting sick. It doesn't create a magical force field around you to prevent it from coming into contact with you. A vaccinated person still easily contracts, fights off, and passes on the flu virus to other people. The flu still enters the body of a vaccinated person, it just is caught by the immune system and destroyed before it causes clinical symptoms - that's what vaccines do; they create the system that quickly locates, targets, and destroys what it is they are vaccinated for. I really hope that people do not come to think that because you are vaccinated, you cannot somehow make others ill. It's totally false. So please don't think that because you are vaccinated, you are protecting everybody else - because you can still easily pass it on to other people!!

    It's just way too early to know much about how it's all going to pan out. I saw on the news the other night that a young girl has died from H1N1. That is truly sad, and I mourn for her family, it must be awful to go through something like that, I couldn't even begin to imagine. But to be realistic, approximately 35,000 people die from the regular flu every year, and have for dozens of years, and that is not publicized every time somebody passes away, and mass vaccinating has not changed that statistic that much. And it is generally the immunocompromised, young, or old who do. Unfortunately media is doing as media does right now, and is trying to send out a scare tactic. I don't know the number of confirmed deaths due to H1N1 at this time in Canada or the U.S., but it's probably not any higher than the "normal" death rate due to influenza at this time. Vaccinations or no, some folks are still going to die each year from influenza - it's just unfortunately how it goes.


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  • 10-28-2009 9:38 AM In reply to dyan

    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    dyan:

    Thing is ....................my sister has asthma....  and she gets the regular flu shot each year ( has for years )....she gets sick every year....stays sick forever.... has to be on tons of expensive antibiotics which make her feel even worse............and I am just wondering if she did NOT get that flu shot if she would be better off.

     

    If she was on antibiotics then it was something else.  The seasonal flu vaccine is for a flu virus and antibiotics are for a bacterial infection.  I think this is the type of anecdotal "evidence" that is not appropriate for making the decision about whether to vaccinate or not.


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  • 10-28-2009 9:53 AM In reply to Kim_MacMillan

    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    Kim_MacMillan:

    I hope this doesn't stir up a can of worms, but....I'm surprised at the number of folks who say you should get it "because you work around children, patients, public, etc". Again, coming from a totally science background....gettting the flu vaccine only (hopefully) prevents you from getting sick. It doesn't create a magical force field around you to prevent it from coming into contact with you. A vaccinated person still easily contracts, fights off, and passes on the flu virus to other people. The flu still enters the body of a vaccinated person, it just is caught by the immune system and destroyed before it causes clinical symptoms - that's what vaccines do; they create the system that quickly locates, targets, and destroys what it is they are vaccinated for. I really hope that people do not come to think that because you are vaccinated, you cannot somehow make others ill. It's totally false. So please don't think that because you are vaccinated, you are protecting everybody else - because you can still easily pass it on to other people!!

     

    Yes and no....herd immunity and contact immunity have and do happen.


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  • 10-28-2009 10:23 AM In reply to Liesje

    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    Yes, but thus far there has been no research to date that I can find that supports the issue that contact immunity can occur with influenza virus/vaccine . In fact, more research seems to indicate that it probably won't happen with influenza because of the genetic makeup of the virus and how easily, and quickly, it changes its properties. It's why influenza is such a successful virus and why it's still so common worldwide. If contact immunity worked with influenza, it would likely have gone the way of polio. Influenza is a rather unique virus scientifically, therefore we can't really jump so quickly to assume that these two phenomena will occur.


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