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H1N1 vaccine

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  • 10-24-2009 10:47 PM In reply to calliecritturs

    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    I will go with my doctor's recommendation.  I have already had H1N1.  I am unsure if I am at risk of catching it again, or if I have a certain level of immunity from it.

    I usually get a flu shot yearly.  Last year, for some reason, I didn't get one, & I ended up with the flu, & eventually pneumonia.

    Amanda

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  • 10-24-2009 10:53 PM In reply to ottoluv

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     Thank you Kelly, voice of reason (and fact) as always Wink


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  • 10-24-2009 11:11 PM In reply to Liesje

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    I will NOT be getting it.  TWICE I have gotten the flu vaccine and those are the two years that I got the flu...coincidence perhaps, but I was sick enough to want to die.  DH will get the regular flu vaccine when it is available again, because he is a type 2 diabetic.  However, we are both pretty low risk.  I guess I'm at slightly higher risk given my amount of community involvement, but all in all, neither of us is "in public" a whole lot.  The Doc actually said that there is evidence that folks over 55 are very low risk for H1N1 because of immunites, so......

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  • 10-24-2009 11:27 PM In reply to ottoluv

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    ottoluv:
    The debate is only with people who don't know much about medicine or immunology to be frank.
    Again, the arrogance of the medical profession. Just like the Titanic couldn't sink.
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  • 10-24-2009 11:40 PM In reply to jenn52

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    jenn52:
    ottoluv:
    The debate is only with people who don't know much about medicine or immunology to be frank.
    Again, the arrogance of the medical profession. Just like the Titanic couldn't sink.
    lol the arrogance of Dr. Google. You are so right... you totally know more then the thousands of highly trained professionals who develop, test, and administer the vaccines. Uh, the titanic lol ok. It's so arrogant to want to save lives and think we know more then the lay public about the field we spend decades and 100 hours a week working in. Oh and glenda you are sorta correct, there was a swine flue epidemic decades ago so those over 50 may have been exposed and have some sort of immunity, but it's not worth the risk if you are over 50 and have medical problems or are immunosupressed so we still recommend it.


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  • 10-24-2009 11:42 PM In reply to jenn52

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    I realize this is "just from the internet", but think about the questions...

    from: http://www.NaturalNews.com/027258_vaccines_flu_vaccine.html

    Here are ten questions vaccine-pushing doctors and health authorities absolutely refuse to answer:

    #1) Where are the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies proving flu vaccines are both safe and effective?

    Answer: There aren't any. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)


    #2) Where, then, is the so-called "science" backing the idea that flu vaccines work at all?

    Answer: Other than "cohort studies," there isn't any. And the cohort studies have been thoroughly debunked. Scientifically speaking, there isn't a scrap of honest evidence showing flu vaccines work at all.


    #3) How can methyl mercury (Thimerosal, a preservative used in flu vaccines) be safe for injecting into the human body when mercury is an extremely toxic heavy metal?

    Answer: It isn't safe at all. Methyl mercury is a poison. Along with vaccine adjuvants, it explains why so many people suffer autism or other debilitating neurological side effects after being vaccinated.


    #4) Why do reports keep surfacing of children and teens suffering debilitating neurological disorders, brain swelling, seizures and even death following flu vaccines or HPV vaccines?

    Answer: Because vaccines are dangerous. The vaccine industry routinely dismisses all such accounts -- no matter how many are reported -- as "coincidence."


    #5) Why don't doctors recommend vitamin D for flu protection, especially when vitamin D activates the immune response far better than a vaccine? (http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_V...)

    Answer: Because vitamin D can't be patented and sold as "medicine." You can make it yourself. If you want more vitamin D, you don't even need a doctor, and doctors tend not to recommend things that put them out of business.


    #6) If human beings need flu vaccines to survive, then how did humans survive through all of Earth's history?

    Answer: Human genetic code is already wired to automatically defend you against invading microorganisms (as long as you have vitamin D). (http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_V...)


    #7) If the flu vaccine offers protection against the flu, then why are the people who often catch the flu the very same people who were vaccinated against it?

    Answer: Because those most vulnerable to influenza infections are the very same people who have a poor adaptive response to the vaccines and don't build antibodies. In other words flu vaccines only "work" on people who don't need them. (And even building antibodies doesn't equate to real-world protection from the flu, by the way.)

    #8) If the flu vaccine really works, then why was there no huge increase in flu death rates in 2004, the year when flu vaccines were in short supply and vaccination rates dropped by 40%? (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)

    Answer: There was no change in the death rate. You could drop vaccination rates to zero percent and you'd still see no change in the number of people dying from the flu. That's because flu vaccines simply don't work.


    #9) How can flu vaccines reduce mortality by 50% (as is claimed) when only about 10% of winter deaths are related to the flu in the first place?

    They can't. The 50% statistic is an example of quack medical marketing. If I have a room full of 100 people, then I take the 50 healthiest people and hand them a candy bar, I can't then scientifically claim that "candy bars make people healthy." That's essentially the same logic behind the "50% reduction in mortality" claim of flu vaccines. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...).


    #10) If flu vaccines work so well, then why are drug makers and health authorities so reluctant to subject them to scientific scrutiny with randomized, placebo-controlled studies?

    Answer: Although they claim such studies would be "unethical," what's far more unethical is to keep injecting hundreds of millions of people every year with useless, harmful vaccines that aren't backed by a shred of honest evidence.

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  • 10-24-2009 11:53 PM In reply to ottoluv

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    ottoluv:
    You are so right... you totally know more then the thousands of highly trained professionals who develop, test, and administer the vaccines.
    I don't trust anything when big money like that is behind it.  what makes you think all my information is from google anyway?  i live by own experience..  some examples... my sister had reoccuring sinus infections the doctors and specialists couldnt get rid of, they wanted to do surgery.  my mom took her to a naturopath before pursuing surgery and oh by golly the herbal drops he gave her cleared it right up and hasn't come back.   I was having ankle swelling.. the first doctor i saw (hmo) ran no tests and just said it was because i was overweight, take a diruetic.  2nd doctor I saw (hmo) ran bloodwork but said it was nothing, just wear compression socks.  3rd doctor i saw (ppo) ran blood and wouldnt you know it, I have hashimotos thyroiditis, which causes edema... regulating my thyroid helps take care of the swelling.  I dont trust a MD just because he or she says something.  My current doctor (who practices both sides of the fence) trusts me when I tell him something about body, not just because of a test or because what he was told in med school should be the truth.  Sorry to break it to you but... doctors dont know everything... history books in schools dont tell the truth... the government doesnt give a crap about the American people...

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  • 10-24-2009 11:54 PM In reply to jenn52

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    Jen did you look where that link is from, I'm sorry I can't help but laugh....naturalnews?? Hardly the fact mill is it. The points are just stupid too. Thiomersal is not used in most flu vaccines and is only in trace nearly undetectable levels in a few brands which the author isn't apparently aware of. Placebo trials?? Uh whoever wrote that clearly doesn't understand how we test because that is required lol. #9 just proves the author doesn't understand simple math. #7 made me laugh too, the author doesn't even understand that the flu vaccine is different yearly and it includes what we think maybe the likely strains in the fall, sometimes we are wrong which is why you can still get the flu with the vaccine. H1N1 is different as it is a specific strain so to speak. Doctors aren't refusing to answer, the answers are there, but the author doesn't understand them apparently, or doesn't want to because of his/her agenda.


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  • 10-24-2009 11:57 PM In reply to ottoluv

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    ottoluv:
    Doctors aren't refusing to answer, the answers are there, but the author doesn't understand them apparently, or doesn't want to because of his/her agenda.
    I'm sure that's the case, of course it is...

     

    ottoluv:
    Thiomersal is not used in most flu vaccines
    The newsletter offering the fly vaccine at work said if you are allergic to thirmersal, then dont get the vaccine... I dont care if only some brands have it and some don't... i dont know which is which.

     I am sorry that you feel the only thing that can be right is what you were taught in school.  There is more than one way to skin a cat.

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  • 10-25-2009 12:15 AM In reply to jenn52

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    jenn52:
    the fly vaccine
     

    I'm sure you meant flu, right?



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  • 10-25-2009 12:18 AM In reply to jenn52

    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    This talk of cat skinning makes me a little nervous....

    Amanda

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  • 10-25-2009 12:24 AM In reply to tiffy

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    Re: H1N1 vaccine

    LOL! No, didn't you hear, you now need a vaccine against flies... Possibly a national emergency.
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  • 10-25-2009 12:32 AM In reply to jenn52

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     LOL!!



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  • 10-25-2009 1:06 AM In reply to tiffy

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    I probably won't get it ... not because I'm opposed to it for any reason but just because the last time I had anything even remotely resembling the flu I was just starting my freshman year in high school. I had such an awful case of it I missed two weeks of school and I figure I probably gave myself a lifetime immunity.  I think I'm better off just leaving well enough alone. However - that's not carved in stone.

    Joyce

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  • 10-25-2009 1:11 AM In reply to tiffy

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     I mean to get the regular flu vaccine, but I am having some major needlephobia this year. I did it last year, because it was offered where I worked, which was a large residential facility with 1000 clients and 2000 staff. I have to say, when the flu went around, I never got it. This year, I am working in several homes with children. I don't feel comfortable asking them, but I suspect that I may have some clients who aren't fully vaccinated. I'd like to have a policy of not taking these clients, but that would prevent me from making money. Anyway, my clients are kids with generally poor hygiene skills, and they may have poor concepts of personal boundaries. They don't know how to wash their hands thoroughly, and some of them climb all over me. I know at least 3 of the 4 kids I work with aren't getting flu shots, and neither are their siblings. In one home they might. though i'm not sure.

    If swine flu becomes available to me, I will at least consider it.  I generally wait on vaccines and medicines. Like, I sat on the HPV vaccine a bit,  but since I will soon be running out of time on that, I will need to suck up my phobia and get going. Swine flu, if I didn't work with a high risk population, I'd probably not bother since I'm not high risk. However, I owe it to the kids I work with not to get them sick.

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