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TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

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  • 10-19-2009 7:02 PM In reply to janobonano

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    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    Three vaginal births, no meds.  Longest birth was the youngest- we got to the hospital about 7:30-8 PM Saturday and he was born at 1:18AM Sunday.

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  • 10-19-2009 7:09 PM In reply to kle1986

    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    I'm not a mom but I would decide based on what is safest at the time.  I was born naturally but needed forceps and I came out blue.  Not sure of all the circumstances, but if there was something wrong with my baby and it could not breathe I'd probably cut myself open to get her out faster!  Natural or C-section, there is an element of risk for mother and baby, for me it will be all about weighing those risks in favor of the baby's health rather than my personal preferences.


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  • 10-19-2009 8:12 PM In reply to kle1986

    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

     I had natural all 3 times, though the last time I was induced.  I used to think that a c-section would be soooo much easier.  No labour, no tearing, no vaginal stitches.  Think of how easy it would be to pee afterward?  Or sit down? 

    HOWEVER, after this last pregnancy, I totally take that back.  My friend couldn't even hold her baby unless she was sitting down for two weeks!  Two whole weeks!  Weeks of not being able to be alone in the house with your baby, for fear of having to carry him somewhere?  I realize she might have been the extreme, but the same night I had Kelci I was getting out of bed to put her back in her bassinet.  The next morning, I got up and gave her a bath by myself.  Admittedly, I have a high pain threshold, but honestly, other than the jelly legs, I was pretty ok for walking around.  I had stitches with all 3 deliveries, but they are the dissolving kind and really the squirty bottle was such a lifesaver. 

    Plus, Chuffy is right.  The quicker you get them on the breast, the easier they pick it up.  At least from personal experience.  Both of my girls nursed right after they were born and continued to do so successfully for several months.  Kale was several hours, so that coupled with the fact that I was much younger, and had ZERO idea what I was doing, ended in a formula fed baby.   My friend with the c-section baby, did manage to breastfeed successfully, but for the first 2 weeks she did not do it once without it hurting the whole time....though, I'd blame that as much on myself as anyone.  I showed her how to fix that problem in one feeding...sigh...I wish I had known she was having so much trouble.  But that is another conversation.

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  • 10-19-2009 8:36 PM In reply to huskymom

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    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

     Also not a mom yet, but I've been utterly fascinated by reading the NursingBirth blog - I think Chuffy was the one that originally posted the link or a link that led to the link a while ago. 

    Reading the NB blog and watching Baby Story on TLC has pretty much convinced me to try and go with a natural birth at a birth center if at all possible.  I only intend on having one child and I want the experience to be as perfect as possible - and that includes doing it myself as a private, family event, not surrounded by monitors and strangers and on drugs.  I am a bit of a hippie, so i know that's not the best choice for everyone.

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  • 10-19-2009 8:56 PM In reply to stardog85

    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    I've just had the one and she was vaginal - with an epidural.  I was adament about the epidural, although I labored almost all way without one.  I guess I tore although I don't know how bad, I guess I needed stiches and got them, but I never felt them and they never bothered me.  I pushed for less than an hour and really it was fairly easy.  I just remember being so tired and crazy thirsty.

    I guess if I had to answer for you, I would say go vaginal and if they have to do the c-section then you know what to expect.  The one thing my BFF said about a C-section (she didn't have a choice because her birth canal is too narrow) with the 2nd one was she was able to plan when she was going in so she could arrange for care for her 1st daughter without the middle of night thing, although you can still go into labor before your due date...

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  • 10-19-2009 9:30 PM In reply to boneyjean

    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    Wow, I never expected to get such a response! Thanks everyone!

    boneyjean:

    Do you have to decide right now anyway or do you have some time to think about it? 

     

    I still have plenty of time; basically until about the last month or so I think. I'm just trying to get as many opinions as I can to help me decide.

    Chuffy:

    High on my list of reasons for wanting a vaginal delivery: increased chance of successful breastfeeding.

    I actually had never heard of that. I nursed Willa successfully for a year. We did have problems with latching in the beginning, but I blamed that on us letting the nurses talk us into a pacifier. And that is still a struggle for us. We have a cold turkey paci-detox session planned for November when DH is laid off for a week. Oy.

     

    daisyprincess:

    I've always thought once you have a c-section any other time you go to give birth you had to have a c-section, my brothers wife had a c-section with her first baby and her second baby they didn't give her a choice of having a c-section or natural they said she was gonna have another c-section.

    It depends on the person. If they do a vertical incision during the c-section in addition to the horizontal incision, then the risk of uterine tear is too high to have the following deliveries naturally. There are other factors, too, but I think that one is the biggest.

    rwbeagles:

    Recovery is long...but I mean I think you bleed for 40 days c section or no so? No benefit there. The lining sheds out...unless they do some kinda procedure while they're in there to hasten it along? (do they?) The pain, well to me anyways my biggest pains came when I breastfed and had contractions...and well, that's just what is supposed to happen. Oh and my boobs hurt...but again...c section will not do anything to abate that LOL.

    I actually only bled heavily for a few days, then lightly for maybe a week more. I don't think they do any sort of procedure that changes it, maybe it just depends on the person. My sister bled a LONG time with her c-section. I think she actually called the doctor about it because she was afraid there was something wrong.

    I only got the BFing contractions the first couple of days. But I had sore boobs from latching issues and a milk blister. Ow!

     

    huskymom:

    HOWEVER, after this last pregnancy, I totally take that back.  My friend couldn't even hold her baby unless she was sitting down for two weeks!  Two whole weeks!  Weeks of not being able to be alone in the house with your baby, for fear of having to carry him somewhere?  I realize she might have been the extreme, but the same night I had Kelci I was getting out of bed to put her back in her bassinet.  The next morning, I got up and gave her a bath by myself.  Admittedly, I have a high pain threshold, but honestly, other than the jelly legs, I was pretty ok for walking around.  I had stitches with all 3 deliveries, but they are the dissolving kind and really the squirty bottle was such a lifesaver. 

    I was up and walking later that day, but I was limited to a few walks down the hall each day (plus trips to the bathroom.) I did have DH or the nurses hand me the baby because it was too hard for me to lean over and pick her up, plus get back into bed or a chair while holding her. By the time I went home I didn't have much of a problem doing it myself. But DH did take two weeks off work to help. Plus I had my mom and MIL over to help a lot too.

    huskymom:

    My friend with the c-section baby, did manage to breastfeed successfully, but for the first 2 weeks she did not do it once without it hurting the whole time....though, I'd blame that as much on myself as anyone.  I showed her how to fix that problem in one feeding...sigh...I wish I had known she was having so much trouble.  But that is another conversation.


    That was another of my BFing problems. The hospital I went to had ZERO BFing support. It was very frustrating. I developed a milk blister in the hospital, asked a nurse about it, and was told, "It's normal, it'll go away." Stupid me listened, and suffered, for over a two weeks until I was able to look it up online.


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  • 10-19-2009 11:48 PM In reply to janobonano

    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    Both of my boys were born vaginally. Both tore me a bit but then they were BIG babies: Andrew was 9#13oz and Robby was 9# 3 oz.

    My recovery was fine--went fairly well but I got a 48 hour bug just after Robby was born. My doctor (who was 30miles away) thought I might have an infection so I was sent to the ER. Thankfully, I was fine, just miserable from the bug for those couple of days.

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  • 10-20-2009 7:48 AM In reply to lorib

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    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    I had a vaginal birth after a c-section. My first born was natural, second was a breech so I had a c-section and third I had the option and choose vaginal. Having 2 young kids at home, I knew the recovery time would be quicker with a vaginal birth.  That was 15 years ago, so vaginal births after c-section has been done for awhile. My mom had to have all c-sections, her scar goes down her belly, mine goes across right at my hairline, so If i wanted to I could wear a bikini and no one could see the scar.  My husband always took time off after the births of the kids so I had help, but I found a vaginal birth had a much faster recovery time for me, the day after giving birth, I felt perfectly fine, where as a c-section I was sore for well over a week. Everyone is different, there was no different bonding between the babies.

    Good Luck, no matter which way you choose, you'll be happy with the end result.

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  • 10-20-2009 4:20 PM In reply to janobonano

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    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    janobonano:

    Chuffy:

    High on my list of reasons for wanting a vaginal delivery: increased chance of successful breastfeeding.

    I actually had never heard of that. I nursed Willa successfully for a year. We did have problems with latching in the beginning, but I blamed that on us letting the nurses talk us into a pacifier.

     

    Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it's a given that CS = bottle and VG = breast.  Just that vaginal births have a higher chance of breastfeeding success.  Breastfeeding is important to me, as I believe it is important for every mother and every baby, so anything that improves the chance of it going well and smoothly is a big TICK in my book.  As it happens, I delivered vaginally and I breastfed for 15 months, so hardly any difference in our case!  I also know enough women who delivered vaginally and breastfed for mere weeks, or even days or not at all.... it's hard to judge, becuase so often it is not to do with delivery, but rather support networks (or lack of!)

    If you know for definite that you never want to have any more children, then this may be less relevant - but if there is ANY chance that you might wish to "do it again" in the future, maybe if your circumstances change and allow it.... then I think it's important to know that every ceasarean increases the risk of complications in subsequent pregnancies.

    Caesareans are risky, usually unnecessary procedures that do not lower morbidity or improve outcomes.  That just about says all that needs to be said about caesareans for me.

    Lots of info on CS HERE



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  • 10-20-2009 4:33 PM In reply to lorib

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    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    lorib:
    Both tore me a bit but then they were BIG babies
     

    Mythbuster alert!  Tearing is less to do with size of baby and more to do with position of baby and whether there is appropriate perianal support Wink

    (Sorry, but as there are some "not yet mums" reading this thread, I wanted to get this out there Smile)

    To get back on topic (bad me!); size of baby has zero to do with caesareans either.  I know women who have successfully birthed 10lb/11lb babies vaginally.  One woman said her 13lb baby was the easiest labour and birth, and joked that she must have had gravity on her side!

    I could be wrong, but from what I am seeing/hearing about online, it seems that doctors in the US *want* women to have caesareans - don't know if this is to do with pay, or the fact that a CS puts the birth in control of the professionals, and takes it away from mothers.  Makes me think of Monty Python's "The Miracle of Birth":

    Frightened mother (in labour): "Doctor, what do I do?!"

    Doctor (patronisingly):  "Nothing Dear!  You are not qualified!"

     

     



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  • 10-20-2009 9:52 PM In reply to Chuffy

    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    I think having a midwife and doing a home birth is really neat, but I'll probably be way to scared that something will go wrong and I won't know.  I'm paranoid at the moment b/c of some things that happened to a colleague (won't go into detail here, don't want to depress anyone).


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  • 10-21-2009 3:30 PM In reply to Liesje

    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    I agree Liesje. I know it's done at home in many areas of the world, but I'm just too paranoid. Plus in our area I don't really think there is much support for that kind of thing.

    I haven't decided totally yet, but I'm still leaning towards vbac. I really appreciate everyone's input/experience/advice/links/etc.

     


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  • 10-22-2009 4:13 AM In reply to janobonano

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    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    My sisters had to have c-sections, and both had really really rough recoveries. And I should mention that both of them have really high pain thresholds. But neither of them could even sit themselves up in bed for close to two weeks.

    One of them is pregnant again and is so horrified by the thought of another C-section that she's currently 3 days overdue. She had an extremely hard time finding an OB here in Orange County that would even let her ATTEMPT a VBAC, and the one she finally found told her if she got to 39 weeks and hadn't gone into labor yet, they'd have to do a c-section. Colleen agreed to this at first, but then started panicking about it, so her doctor pushed it to 40 weeks, and she was supposed to have it yesterday... But again she was so anxious that she actually told her doctor she wasn't showing up for it, and asked what happened then? lol. So now she's got an appt on the 29th, and she's desperate to go into labor before then...

    I don't know how people can have such amazingly different experiences, but seeing these two and their recoveries and feelings towards it, I know if I got pregnant I would do absolutely everything I could to do it naturally.
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  • 10-23-2009 3:11 AM In reply to Liesje

    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    Liesje:

    I'm not a mom but I would decide based on what is safest at the time. 

     

    I'm with you on this.  I was a breech baby and was delivered via c-section and was breast fed successfully.  Personally, being on the receiving end of the c-section, I'm glad that the surgical route was taken.  My younger cousin was a birth that SHOULD have been a c-section but was not, and the cord wrapped around her neck and caused some fairly extensive brain damage.

    I would like to say that if we have kids I'll go all natural, but I know myself too well.  I have a very low pain threshold.  When I was in the hospital for my bile leak after the gall bladder surgery I was in so much pain that I would have literally done almost anything to escape it, so if labor is anything like that, I don't think I'll be able to handle natural.

    As far as home birth, there is no way I would deliberately deliver at home--absolutely not.  I want to be under the care of my gyno (if I didn't trust her enough to deliver my baby then she would not be my doctor) near emergency medical equipment should the need arise.

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  • 10-23-2009 2:56 PM In reply to sillysally

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    Re: TMI Poll for moms: c-section or natural?

    Firstly, what is "safest at the time" may not be, at first glance, the most pain-free choice.  I think safety is a better choice than pain avoidance, and that's why I'm a vaginal advocate in the majority of cases Wink

    Interestingly, there have been recent reports on the safety of home births.  In the UK, the difficulty in home birthing is that there are not enough midwives for it.  It's much easier (for the medical profession that it) to herd the labouring women into one place, and deal with them there, rather than spreading themselves around their homes.  

    sillysally:
    I would like to say that if we have kids I'll go all natural, but I know myself too well.  I have a very low pain threshold. 

    I may be reading this wrong, but pain avoidance is not a good reason to have a CS - firstly because there's no kind of guarantee that ANY birth will be completely pain-free.  Also, look at it this way - the higher the level of interventions you have, the longer and more painful the recovery is likely to be.  CS is pretty much the highest level of intervention you can get at a birth, so logically, pain avoidance is a good reason to avoid one!  On the other hand, there are lots of ways of minimising/managing any pain with a vaginal delivery, so if ever you did want to have kids, that is worth thinking about.

    It's also worth considering that labour pain is not LIKE "illness pain".   At least it wasn't for me and it wasn't for other mums I have spoken to.  I have pretty much the lowest pain threshold you can imagine - stub my toe and I cry, have a bad headache and I go to bed.  I am hopeless.  But labour pain is different.

    The thing about pain is, how much labour/birth hurts is affected by a wide variety of factors, and some of them are in your control and some of them are not.

    • How physically fit you are
    • How prepared you are, mentally and physically
    • How relaxed and confident you are
    • The quality and continuity of care you receive (FWIW, I trusted my midwife, so you could say that's why she was my midwife, but she was on leave when I went into labour.  Then the shift changed before William was born, so the midwife changed again.)
    • Level of intervention (for example, "purple pushing" hurts a lot and so does an episiotomy.)
    • Whether you are able to keep mobile during labour
    • Whether you deliver prone (on your back is the worst birthing position in terms of hard work, pain and potential complications, but - here's the rub - is also the "best" position for the professionals to monitor your progress and detect if anything goes wrong.)
    • Whether you receive proper perianal support
    • Whether you have loved one(s) around you to support you
    • WHERE you labour and deliver

     The place of birth is enormously important.  Generally, you will be more relaxed at home.  I thought, surely I will be more relaxed knowing there are experienced, qualified staff on hand should I need them?  But when you think about it, how many of us sleep better in our OWN bed than anywhere else?  How many of us know that in your room is the best place for a baby (or even a puppy) to sleep, because the room is a sleepy place"?  It's full of the pheremones we give off when we sleep.  It is a very relaxing place, a familiar place, a place which feels safe in our bones.  This is precisely the kind of place which almost all female mammals gravitate to when they know they are going to give birth.

    My sister has a young female dog which she got from a breeder.  Part of the contract was that this dog may be used in the breeder's breeding programme, to continue the line.  As the breeder is experienced in whelping puppies, Shady is likely to go back to her to have the puppies.  But would she be moved mid-labour?  And if she was, would anyone be surprised if labour slowed down, or complications developed?  Much more likely that she will be given time to settle in so that she labours in a place where she feels relaxed, comfortable and safe. A frightened, anxious, unsettled female is more likely to experience problems.

    When a female labours, she is vulnerable.  Therefore, if she is in in an unfamiliar place and around unfamiliar animals, her labour will slow down - almost like it is being put on hold in case she needs to run or fight at any moment.  It doesn't matter if she tells herself "this is the best place for me!"  Generations and generations of evolution have equipped us with this survival trait, and you can't control this bodily response.  The usual response to this is for hospitals to inject stuff into you to speed things up again, or break your waters for you.... despite evidence which suggests this is not in the best interests of the mother and baby in a lot of cases.

    /off soap box now.



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