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Dog bite... what happened?

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  • 10-17-2009 1:06 PM

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    Dog bite... what happened?

     OK -- I don't often post but, wanted to ask for good thoughts as well as your take on the situation.

     My 16 yrs old niece was bitten by a dog.  I haven't spoken with her as of yet... but, the second hand story I've received states that she was at her friends house, sitting next to the dog on the sofa.  I guess she looked at the dog and said something to him... and he jumped up, bit her eye and then laid back down again.  No warning, up and then down, happened extremely quickly. My sister's family has a dog, she's been around my dogs... she's fairly dog savvy, well in the sense I don't think she'd have done anything accidentally or intentionally that would instigate a bite.  

     She has had an MRI done and it seems the bite was NOT to her eyeball itself, thank God.  But, she has 12 stitches around her her eye, to the side and on both lids.  They are of course concerned about infection, so the stitches are loose.

     Please think of my neice with healing thoughts.  I've been wracking my brain about what could have happened.  She said the dog is bigger than her dog who is a fairly medium-large Golden Retriever.  I have no idea what the plans are for the dog that bit, if there are any... but, I'll fill you in when I know more.  She was asleep when I called this morning to find out how the MRI went and spoke to my sister.  I'm figuring it was some sort of a dominance situation with an unknown kid at their house sitting on THEIR (the dogs) sofa.... I would also be surprised if this dog didn't already have a bite history. What do you think? 

     Thank you for your thoughts, I know the idog healing thoughts are very strong!!

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  • 10-17-2009 1:14 PM In reply to Sera_J

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    Re: Dog bite... what happened?

    Ummmm, WOW.  I sure can't imagine what set this dog off, and tend to agree, there is probably a bite history.

    As far as your niece, well, she's got all my good strong idog vibes heading her way and prayers for a quick recovery.  I'm sure they have her on antibiotics and hopefully something for the pain.  My knee screamed when I was bit, but gosh, a FACE??  Too close to the brain and those pain signals have such a short distance to travel.....poor kid.

    Please be sure to send her some hugs from us!

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  • 10-17-2009 1:49 PM In reply to Sera_J

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    Re: Dog bite... what happened?

    I'm so sorry this happened. I'm sending my strongest healing vibes for your niece. I hope she makes a complete recovery. That must have been very scary.  It's hard to know why the dog bit but my first thought was her look at the dog and proximity was taken as threatening. 




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  • 10-17-2009 2:17 PM In reply to Sera_J

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    Oh geez, Lani!  I have the same concerns about a bite history.  Please let your sister & neice know that I'm sending all the healing vibes I can.  Maghee also wanted me to tell you that she's sending some Maghee snuggles.  They are quite healing.  Let us know what you find out.


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  • 10-17-2009 2:20 PM In reply to gradyupmybutt

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    Re: Dog bite... what happened?

    Just talked to the kids and the 6 dogs are sending healing kisses, the 3 cats soothing cuddles and Corky sends her very best quack!

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  • 10-17-2009 2:28 PM In reply to Sera_J

    Re: Dog bite... what happened?

    I'm no expert, but either the dog thought she was challenging him for position on the sofa and gave a "correction" - the face being the most immediate access if the dog stood up on the couch.  (Assuming this is a at least a medium-sized dog.  Do you know what size/breed it was?)  Not like he'd go for an arm - the face would be right at his level if he stood.  OR, the other potential option is fear, but I tend to doubt it if the dog layed back down on the couch next to her with no appeasement afterward.  Without being there and speculating on the second (now third) hand story, my knee-jerk reaction is he "corrected" her for being on his couch and not deferring to his supremacy.  Makes me wonder if he's done this before to other guests, or even family members.  Which makes me wonder if there's a teenage boy in the house - I see dogs giving "corrections" to incorrigable kids/teens and a boy just tolerating it thinking it's ok/wrestling play so that it becomes a normal response.  Maybe I'm just good at speculating and imagining, and this could be totally off-base, but it makes me wonder....

    MORE importantly at this point, I'm extremely glad your niece has not received a puncture to her eyeball.  I hope there is no impact on her sight whatsoever when she heals.  I also hope, as a young woman, that her face heals without scars, and that her psyche can do the same.  I'm so sorry this happened to her.  Nobody should ever try to diminish the feelings (physical or emotional) of a person who has been bitten by a dog, which is what drives me nuts about people who ignore their dogs' aggression toward humans.

    My best healing thoughts to your niece and her family, including her worrying aunt.  I hope some clear answers are found about the dog, and how to address him going forward. 


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  • 10-17-2009 2:32 PM In reply to Sera_J

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    Re: Dog bite... what happened?

     Thank you SO much ladies.  ... it was just such a surprise, poor thing!! Of course I'm the crazy dog lady in my family, so I heard about it right away before much was known.  It scared everyone further when they showed up at Urgent Care (after calling to confirm that's where they should be going) to be turned away as it was "too severe" an injury.  So they headed to the ER.  Very scary.

      I got a little more info.  She was petting a cat on one side of her, and she reached over to pet the dog who was sitting immediately next to her on the other side. Dog jumped up bit her and laid back down like nothing had happened. No warning.  My take is one of two things. 1. This dog is in pain.  As the warning was apparently a bite.  Or 2. This dog has learned that snapping/biting as the warning is acceptable behavior and he was defending his sofa.

     The dog is some sort of mix approx 80 lbs "black and white" dog.  

     I told my sister to insist the dog is seen by a vet as it could be in pain and he will of course keep doing this as long as he is in pain.  And then I broke the bad news, if he's not in pain they need to have him seen by a behaviorlist who should decide if he should be PTS, as this is seriously scary dog behavior to snap w/o warning in someone's face.  12 stitches on someone's face is not something you allow to happen twice.

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  • 10-17-2009 2:42 PM In reply to miranadobe

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    I, too, wonder about the dog's history.  Usually, even if a dog "corrects" someone, it isn't with a puncturing bite, it's with an air snap or a more inhibited bite.  This could also be a "guarder" - some dogs guard people, space, resting spots, food...the list can include such innocuous things as pieces of tissue paper.   In any case, it's hard to think about such a severe bite coming out of nowhere - I would tend to think that with questioning, you might find a series of red flags, even if they weren't apparent to the owners.

    Is there a possibility that the dog had been corrected in the past for growling at people on the couch????

    I can't help but think of Sue Sternberg's video of the interviewer who is bitten by a police K-9 while chatting with the handler.  The guy was at eye level with the dog, and just a momentary glance set the dog off with a stunningly fast face bite.  So, movement (when you speak, your mouth moves) & eye contact are probably the reason for the bite to your niece, too.  This is NOT an *unprovoked* bite, it's an *INAPPROPRIATE RESPONSE* to those stimuli.  There's always a reason for a bite - it's just that it's the dog's reason.  Which, of course, doesn't lessen it being inappropriate.  But, if you can't explain it rationally, you can't address the dog's situation either.  I would never have this dog on a piece of furniture again at level with a human face, and I would restrict his access to guests, whether they be adults or children.  Any bite that leaves 12 stitches in a young girl's face is not accidental, and if they want to keep their dog, and not euthanize him, there is absolutely no room for a "next time". 

    I, too, hope that your niece recovers without scars, physical or emotional.  And, that she continues to enjoy the company of the mostly good dogs in the world.

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  • 10-17-2009 3:36 PM In reply to Sera_J

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    Yikes! I hope she makes a complete recovery. SO lucky it didn't puncture her eyeball. Yikes.

    My only idea is that she unknowingly leaned on the dog... maybe he had a sore paw/leg/hip or something?


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  • 10-17-2009 3:50 PM In reply to janobonano

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    Re: Dog bite... what happened?

     Yikes!  How awful for your niece.  I'm sending my best iDog healing vibes too. 

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  • 10-17-2009 5:28 PM In reply to huskymom

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    Wow, she must of been so scared!  I hope she heals quickly. 

    I don't know what should be done but I agree this isn't something they can let go. 

    I always keep Willow in the bedroom alone when guests are over.  I just can't trust that any little move someone made she wouldn't think was something she needed to react too. 

     

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  • 10-17-2009 7:38 PM In reply to willowchow

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     Emma put someone in the hospital with a warning snap. It was a series of unfortunate circumstances that could have been avoided. She has poor bite inhibition. She was on steroids. She was in my arms, "guarding" me. The dog trainer who was bitten was in the process of leaning forward to kiss her head. Emma's teeth sunk in, I believe FAR harder than she intended them to, and several surgeries were required to repair the well meaning trainer's nose.

     

    It DOES happen, that a dog just mis-snaps, and accidentally seriously injures someone. Of course, that dog (Emma!) is not a stable, normal dog, and shouldn't be treated as such.



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  • 10-17-2009 10:16 PM In reply to jennie_c_d

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     It very much sounds like resource guarding to me. She reached into the dog's space and he reacted, then backed off. His owners should certainly not allow him to interact with guests in the future.

     Sending good thoughts to your neice!

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  • 10-17-2009 11:01 PM In reply to AgileGSD

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    Re: Dog bite... what happened?

     Lani, I'm so sorry about your niece :( I hope she feels better very soon. I can't imagine how scary that must have been.

    I hope the dog owners step up and do the right thing, and acknowledge the seriousness of the situation... I really just can't imagine any situation in which the dog's behavior would have been appropriate. Your niece certainly didn't do anything "wrong." I'm guessing an un(der?)socialized dog, poor training, poor behavior management, and a lot of excuses for the dog's past misbehavior. NOT a dog that should have been allowed in that situation.

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  • 10-18-2009 1:02 AM In reply to Cita

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    OMG, how scary! 

    It does sound to me, as if this dog was guarding it's place on the couch.

    Sending good vibes for your niece's recovery.

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