Any suggestions on how to keep Lucky

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    Any suggestions on how to keep Lucky

    away from the bird?? My brother gave me a cockatiel and Lucky if she got the chance to get the bird she would which already happened which was my fault but the bird wasn't harmed I didn't close my door all the way when I went and picked the bird up from the cage outside to the cage inside and well Lucky went to attack it.

    Lucky is a very friendly dog I wouldn't think of her to even hurt a fly but now thats changed.  I think she's becoming obsessed with the bird last night I put the cover over the birds cage and she lays across from it and stares at it. She goes to the cage and tries to see if she can get into it, before I would leave the birds cage open outside and let the dogs out she sticks her whole head in the cage Tongue Tied. I now keep the cage closed. Daisy of course doesn't know where the cage is, Copper doesn't mind the bird either it's just Lucky I think if she got a chance to harm the bird she would. 

    How can I get her to stop this behavior??  

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    My dogs are good with our birds, we use "leave it" or for Timmy, who is much more curious about them than Sadie, we use a very stern "no" - for him this works, he looks as though the world has ended when we give him a stern "no" and he stops whatever he's doing immediately. He is quite sensitive to "no" - I guess because we rarely tell him no and because what makes him happiest is pleasing people.
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     It sounds to me like Lucky's got a high prey drive & I don't think I'd trust her for a moment around the bird - terrible can happen in the blink of an eye!

    I didn't have to worry about any of my dogs in the past around my birds, tho I still did not & would not trust them to be unsupervised when the birds were out of their cages.  But Coco is a VERY different story!  George & DJ basically grew up with my birds, Coco did not & she has a very high prey drive!  Now I have to keep the bird room closed off to the rest of the house during the day when the birds are out of cage - I KNOW that Coco will get them, I've even seen her chase after & jump for wild birds flying by. 
    She's pretty good when I tell her "no", but I still would not trust her enough to let her near the birds.

     

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    daisyprincess
    My brother gave me a cocktail

      Well, I can tell you that you shouldn't take any advice from Amanda (Bevo's mom) on keeping your dog away from cocktails... Drinks

    Now on the cockatiel thing... um, aside from keeping them separated, bird cage up high, I have no advice, particularly since the dog already got to the bird and thinks it's a good thing now.  Leave it's, and startling the dog when you see it too interested in the bird can help, but ultimately, the dogs that "WANT" a bird, are most often going to get it, regardless of the training, so it's about keeping the two safely separated.

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     Yup. Management. I had two dogs and a bird, and life was good. Then, I decided to foster an IG. Oh, my. The first two nights she slept in my bed, I was awakened by her LEAPING at the covered bird cage. That did not end nicely. The bird cage has an ex pen around it, now, and the dog has been startled enough that she thinks twice before leaping at MY bird. I crate the dog before I open the bird's cage door (she is clipped, but can flutter enough to get to me, and the dog can leap about 6' straight up, so....). I seriously considered a Scat Mat, but decided against it, in this instance. Another option might be that matting that goes under computer chairs, with the pricklies underneath it, turned prickly side up.  It would just make standing near the bird cage unpleasant.

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     LMAO @ me with cocktail I didn't even notice that lol

     I used to have a lovebird named Cindy she passed away last year she's was nearly 25 yrs old, Lucky never once bothered Cindy didn't even pay even pay attention to her but this bird she wants it lol not sure why.  I never allow the bird out in the house only on the porch and I make sure the dogs aren't there. I give her the stern no she listens but goes back today so far she's doing good not obsessing about the bird. Wish she would stop it completely "crossing fingers"

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    If you have dogs that look upon pet  birds as prey, it is difficult if not impossible to really ever change that. You can temporarily inhibit them, but you can not ever really get rid of it, and you can never really trust them together. I have a mature female lovebird now, and before her I had another female, and with terriers they can not be together. Ever. End of story.

    She is on a cage that is three feet off the ground, so the dogs cannot reach her. At one time her cage was beside the couch, and Gaci would get up on the back of the couch while we were watching TV and lay by the cage watching her. Echo (the lovie) would come up to her and start preening Gaci's hairs on her nose...it was cute to watch, but that's about as far as it'll ever go. Because Gaci would snatch and eat her in a second if the opportunity arose, and Gaci was not allowed in that room if we were not home.

    Birds have that odd, unpredictable capability of flight (even clipped birds!), and dogs have that odd, often predictable but not always drive of predation, and the too do not go together very well. Because birds are a prey animal, they act in totally prey-like ways, which only work to encourage the predation desire in dogs who like little fast moving, squeaky animals.

    I love my birds, and I love my dogs, but they never have access to each other.

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    Is Lucky from a hunting breed.  You may have awakened some instincts.  When Lucky came, the original bird was already in the house.  Its part of the house, and the dog accepted that.  The new bird is just that-new.  Part of the reaction by Lucky is probably curiosity.  We had a similar reaction when we brought a kitten into the house.  The old cat used to  beat up the dogs, the new one looked like prey for a while.

    After the dogs got used to the kitten and she learned how to hit dogs, the attacks stopped.  Familiarity should help, but separation until then.

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     Lucky is half chow and black lab but I think she might be border collie for some reason she reminds me of them but who really knows, she's a very quiet dog doesn't bark well when she does we know somethings wrong. Last few days she's doing good, hopefully she grows out of it.

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    Please don't assume that your dog will grow out of it. Prey drive doesn't generally "go away" with maturation, it tends to get more intense and escalate as dogs physically and socially mature, aka they become more like a "dog" and hunter than a "puppy" and baby. If you are hoping a dog will grow out of predatory desires, I worry you will end up with injured or dead birds in the future.

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     Clipped birds are even worse. They have that "injured bird" type of fly, a lot of the time. When I got my 'tiel, her wings were both clipped into the second row of feathers, and she'd just crash. Couldn't have let the dogs near her, at all. She'd hit the bottom of her cage like a rock.

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    I wonder if it has anything to do with a dog being a chicken killer?  I have one chicken killer but he's too old to make it to the chicken man's house any more so.... the chickens are safe.  It can't be cured from what I've heard.
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    If she's showing a lot of interest and/or predatory behaviors, I'd keep her away from the bird. In a different room if possible. Birds can really stress out about such things and can even have a heart attack if overly stressed. 

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    Kim_MacMillan

    Please don't assume that your dog will grow out of it. Prey drive doesn't generally "go away" with maturation, it tends to get more intense and escalate as dogs physically and socially mature, aka they become more like a "dog" and hunter than a "puppy" and baby. If you are hoping a dog will grow out of predatory desires, I worry you will end up with injured or dead birds in the future.

     

    This is true.  Predatory drive is hard-wired in the dog, and is not something that goes away.  It is quite possible to train dogs to "leave it", but just saying those words in an angry tone is NOT training, it's just background noise.  Training the "leave it" is a systematic series of exercises designed to convince the dog that no matter what he just "left" you have something better.  Dog leaves a milk bone, gets cheese, dog leaves cheese, gets beef, leaves beef, gets tripe, etc.  The thoroughly trained and proofed "leave it" is effective when you are present, but has no effect if you are not there.  Example - I can take my Aussie out to the horse barn and she will "go to mat" or "leave it" but she is staring at the horse the whole time, and if I fell unconscious or off the face of the earth, she would probably attempt to herd him.  While I'm there, she obeys me.  There are some environmental penalties, such as scat mats or snappy trainers, that some people use to discourage dogs from going up on counters or couches, or even near bird cages, but it's always safer just to contain the birds away from any predatory or "birdy" dogs.

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    spiritdogs
    There are some environmental penalties, such as scat mats or snappy trainers, that some people use to discourage dogs from going up on counters or couches, or even near bird cages, but it's always safer just to contain the birds away from any predatory or "birdy" dogs.

     

    And please don't make the mistake of thinking that just becuase your dog is small and cute that it has no prey drive. Both my poodles are wired for sound when it comes to birds , mice, rats.... and i just don't trust them