Renal Carcinoma

    • Gold Top Dog

    Renal Carcinoma

    Does anyone have experience or knowledge of this disease?  Our little Lily was just diagnosed with this condition----this is all happening while one of my vets is on vacation, and the other is relocating to another state.  At any rate, the prognosis is not so good, even with surgical removal of the tumor.  I do have an appointment tomorrow with a new holistic/tcvm vet to discuss treatment options.  At this point, I am just gathering any and all information I can.  All thoughts are welcome.

    By the way, she exhibits no signs of illness, we brought her in after we noticed a slight swelling in her abdomen, her bloodwork is perfect, and her kidney values are spot on normal.  She is running, jumping, playing normally and seems unaffected by it all.

    Thanks.

    • Gold Top Dog

      I don't have any helpful input; just wanted to say I'm really sorry you're having to deal with this. I'm wishing you the best; {{{{{hugs}}}}}

    • Gold Top Dog

    I have no experience either with this but wanted to send my good thoughts for Lily and for you. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    Was this confirmed by an aspirate or ????  The TCVM vet will be able to help a lot.

    Is it assumed to have already metastacized or ???  What specifically is it about that particular kind of cancer?

    If you can consider a cancer diet (and the TCVM vet will rock on helping you specifically with that) -- that's absolutely the way to go.  You want to feed the dog, NOT the cancer. 

    If you can afford to do it, do *not* be afraid of chemo.  It's very very different for dogs than humans and there are Chinese herbs that literally will make it SOOOO much easier.  Muffin got a powder (that I mixed with a bit of water and rolled into ball-shaped "pills" and let them dry).  I gave the "pills" to him 4 days before and 4 days after he got a chemo treatment.  Then there was a couple of other herbs he took -- but truly he wasn't nauseus, he didn't lose his coat -- he really did NOT have a hard time.  The day "of" chemo -- it was a bit difficult at first until we learned we HAD TO feed him before the treatment.  Food first?  no problem.  NO food?  he'd get sick.

    But between the stuff (blood movers, specific acupuncture, diet) the TCVM vet did, and the chemo -- Muffin was treated pretty darned easily.  The TCVM makes *such* a huge difference.

    It all depends on what sort of cancer cells they are as to what they do.  Radiation may/may not be applicable -- it all depends on how close to other organs it is, but if they can remove that kidney it might truly be worth it. 

     Email me -- there are a few things I wish I'd done with Muffin.  Milk thistle in HUGE amounts is one.  But feel free to email me ok?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Callie--this was confirmed by ultrasound.  Renal carcinoma is not a common cancer, so not much is known.  What is known is that 90% of all renal tumors are malignant, and roughly 70% of all dogs with renal tumors have survived less than 21 days after diagnosis, some up to 24 months. Even after surgical removal, the survival rate is on average 6 months to one year, with regrowth of the tumor imminent. It does not respond to chemo or radiation, so those options were tabled immediately by the vet.  Luckily, the tumor is unilateral, and kidney function of her right kidney is at 100%.  What is disturbing is how quickly this came up--one day her abdomen was normal, and the next, we noticed some swelling---it has since gotten larger, and it's been just a week since we caught this.

    So right now, we are looking for other ways to treat, so hopefully this new tcvm vet will have some suggestions.  She is already on a low carb diet, and has been since we adopted her,(she has been with us a little under a year)  but I am aware of Dr. Ogilvie's cancer diet and supplements and will discuss with the vet.

    Anyway, thanks all for the well wishes.

    • Gold Top Dog

    No advice just good vibes being sent.

    • Gold Top Dog

     Just wanted to say I am so sorry to hear this. Prayers.

    • Gold Top Dog

    No advice, but we are sending out best wishes too. 

    • Puppy
    Hi There, I just came across this site last night doing some research for my dog, as I do a lot of. My dog is going to be 10 years old in April. Almost 2 years ago he was diagnosed with Renal Carcinoma. I was told that they were giving him absolute maximum 6 months to live. The only thing they could offer me was to do surgery and remove one of his kidneys. They said that that may prolong his life by about 6 weeks. I opted not to do that because of the crazy expense and the fact that I did not want to put him through the pain of the surgery and healing time. I figured I may gain 6 weeks, but it would also probably take 6 weeks for him to heal from the surgery. It seemed pointless to put him through that. I am happy to say that on November 16th of this year Kiko will have been diagnosed 2 years ago. I was told he only had 6 months max. I did a lot of research and figured I would do whatever I could on my own. I immediately took him off of conventional dog food. Most of it is filled with wheat and other inexpensive fillers, as well as meat by products. Dogs were never designed to digest wheat and grains. They are meant to eat meat. Their bodies do not recognize the wheat and therefore do not know how to digest it properly. I began feeding him a raw food diet, consisting of mainly raw chicken, bone and all. I would give him chicken quarters out in the yard and he loved it. I have also made his food from mixing raw meat and veggies. One of the meals I have fixed him and he liked is raw chicken hearts, raw egg, spinach, squash, and some flax seed oil. You can go online and find some of the raw diet recipes and there are a lot of books on it. I also took him off of any biscuits or treats. He only gets dried meat treats. I have found that he needs a very high protein diet with some veggies and oil. He gets a lot of his minerals from the bones in the chicken. You will have people tell you not to feed them chicken bones, however that is cooked bones. You can feed them raw chicken bones. NEVER give them cooked ones. You will also have people tell you not to feed your dog raw meat because it could make them sick. The fact is that dogs produce and acid that humans do not and this allows them to digest raw meats and not get sick. I have also had Kiko on some nutrients off and on. I originally started him on K9 Immunity for about the first 3 to 5 months, but he has not been on that for awhile. The only trouble I have had with him is yeast in one of his ears. But I did just do some reading that said this is normal for dogs on a high protein diet and that they should take a digestive enzyme and that will keep the yeast at bay. Also keep your dog away from a lot of carbs. These will turn into sugar and actually feed the cancer. Try and stay away from some of the high carb veggies such as carrots, sweet potatoes, and potatoes. Limit the intake of these. I hope that this is helpful for you. I know when my dog was diagnosed I was looking everywhere for answers. Take care.