frequent urination and water consumption

    • Puppy

    frequent urination and water consumption

    I have a Samoyed puppy, born May 1st 2009. I picked her up from the breeder everything was fine, she was a great puppy for the 11 hour drive home. Several days later she started urinating quite often, upwards of 20 times a day along with drinking 3-5 times her body weight in ounces per day of water. We took her to the vet, they ran some tests and found she had an urinary tract infection. I don't remember which kind, though they prescribed anti biotics for 7 days and asked us to come back to retest. A few weeks passed and no change so we took her back, blood work was done along with another test to show that she still had a UTI. The test came back showing she had a mild case of ecoli in her bladder, with the rests of her results as normal. This time three weeks of anti biotics were ordered. We go back to the vet for a checkup, she is still drinking massive quantities of water, ie... 64 ounces in one day, she weighs 23.4 lbs. They showed no bacteria in her urine, so they considered the UTI gone, though are trying to figure out other issues that could be causing this. Also her specific gravity of her urine has been 1.004, 1.006 and 1.007 when tested. This led them to believe it could be other diseases affecting the kidneys. I performed a water deprivation test for 23 hours and she was able to concentrate her urine to 1.031 and 1.033 with the two samples I took this morning. Also the breeder and the breeder she received her dogs from neither have any reported cases of something like this. We were believing it might be Samoyed Hereditary Glomerulopathy, though now not so much. Also we were thinking some forms of diabetes though the specific gravity of her urine along with blood test the vet doesn't believe so. Also there wasn't any excessive amount of protein in the urine, though there are other tests that are more sensitive that could try to determine if it is some other issue. They are considering doing a kidney biopsy though I really hope there are other alternatives than surgery. She is a sweet dog and my whole family is worried sick about her. Any thoughts that could help would be appreciated.
    • Gold Top Dog

    Just a thought.  Have they ruled out puppy diabetes?  If not, you might want to rule that out.

    We're sending good thoughts to you & your pup.

    • Puppy
    I wasn't aware there was anything such as puppy diabetes. As for diabetes itself the vet said he doesn't believe it is because of some results, I don't remember specifically which it was. I've been reading so much lately on various causes and effects that the lines are starting to blur now. I will bring it up with him when I call today. thank you.
    • Gold Top Dog

    Might be time to go to a vet school or something similar.  Often far cheaper than going to a "specialist" -- they can often diagnose things too difficult for a normal practice (it's what they DO -- they **teach** vets-in-training to diagnose stuff)

    How are they testing the urine -- with a strip? or is this an actual urinalysis sent out to a lab?  Did they do a culture and sensitivity on the concentrated urine?

     

    • Puppy
    They have a machine to test the specific gravity, they also are using strips, I don't know what for, and did something to test the bacteria in the urine as well. I tested the specific gravity by using a refractometer.
    • Gold Top Dog

    When you're talking about something potentially really pretty darned scarey you don't want them just testing with a strip for bacteria.  You want a culture and sensitivity to tell you WHAT bacteria and exactly what's going on in the urine.  A urinalysis will tell you a TON of stuff including if there is protein in the urine.  I'd also be doing a blood panel to find out how well the kidneys are functioning generally.