Advantage Multi?

    • Silver

    Advantage Multi?

    Anyone use this topical product? I'm used to Frontline Plus paired with either Heartgard or Interceptor for heartworms, but the vet I was using doesn't carry Frontline because they say fleas are getting immune to it here.  I told them I specifically needed a product to handle ticks on a very young puppy, as the runt had over 40 of them on him when I brought him home - I was given Advantage Multi as he just met the size/age threshold, and I asked again to verfiy it would handle ticks (I couldn't remember which one didn't of the options).  She stated it did, so we came home and applied the product.

    Here's where my bad occurred, I didn't do my research first, I trusted my vet to give me the info I needed.  Going to the manufacturer's website to find out how long full effectiveness would take on ticks, I find out it does NOT work on ticks. *headdesk*  I also told them what breed mix he was, and they didn't warn me as a collie type breed he may have a genetic sensitivity to the product. Something the manufacturer also cautions against.

    Needless to say, I'm looking for a new vet.

    My question to those here that have used Advantage Multi, how long did you notice diarrhea (or did you) for as a result of the intestinal wormers?  He's eating well, drinking fine, and in a fantastic mood now that the pests are dying out, so I'm not overly concerned at this point...but his bowels have been almost pure water since applying this stuff.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Wow, I didn't know Advantage had a flea/heartworm combo product. 

    If your dog has herder in it, I wouldn't use this stuff on him again.  Ditto for Heartgard...don't use it.  If I were you, I'd stick with Interceptor (safe for herders, plus IMO, just a better product than Heartgard) paired with a regular topical flea/tick treatment.  If Frontline isn't working in your area anymore, you can try the regular Advantage.

    I also saw where this product has the same warning as K9 Advantix in regards to cats.  If you have cats, I'd keep this stuff as far away from your house as possible.

    Also, if I were you, I'd be marching back into their office with the remaining doses in the package and demanding a refund.

    Sorry I can't help about the diarrhea, but this can be serious, especially in young pups.  It can lead to dehydration, among other things.  You might think about taking him in to see a vet (perhaps one different from the one who gave you the meds).

    Good luck, and keep us posted.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I know nothing about the product.  But, if he's been having pure water diarrhea I'd get him to a vet ASAP.  That needs to be treated. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    Advantage-Multi uses MOXIDECTIN -- that's the stuff that was in ProHeart 6 that was so lethal to so many dogs.

    I wouldn't use that stuff EVER EVER EVER. 

    Be very very cautious -- such stuff can trigger auto-immune disease.  I would be giving milk thistle and I'd have bloodwork done at another vet. 

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    I'm heading to the vet in a half hour with him - I managed to get a quick appointment in. I was hoping to wait until next week when I have some money coming in, but stuff happens, right? He's starting to show signs of anemia - which makes me think the worms are worse than originally thought.  Thankfully, he has been and continues to be well hydrated, or I would have been at an emergency clinic before now.

    I've "fired" the vet office that provided the drug. I've had more minor issues with them before, but nothing like this. I'm exploring who I can get involved on this.  It was only a single dose - I had planned on returning to Frontline Plus and Interceptor (once I read about Collie avermectin sensitivity) after, and I don't anticipate his weight staying in the threshold of a  4-6 dose box long enough due to his breed composition. If any of his problems stem from the Advantage Multi, I plan on going after the original vet office.

    I don't recall hearing anything about ProHeart6...I did a quick Google and that scared the bejeesus out of me. Will have to read more later.

     Will update when we know more.

    • Gold Top Dog

    artinhappiness
    Interceptor (once I read about Collie avermectin sensitivity

     

    Interceptor is usually the drug of choice for herders -- not to mention it treats a far broader spectrum of parasites far far more safely than Heartguard (Ivermectin).

     

    Hope to hear from you soon!  good luck!

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    I like this new clinic - all staff seemed knowledgeable, friendly, and the puppy AND my 8m old daughter loved it there. (For the record...wrangling both of them at the vet by myself was a whole new experience I don't really care to repeat!!)  Their prices are much higher than the average in town, but I find I get a better value.  They are sending off a fecal to the local state veterinary college, and he will be tested for all parasites, protozoa, Giardia and the like. I should know more by tomorrow evening.

    In the meantime, we gave him a dose of Drontal to ensure any remaining worms die, which I'll repeat in a month.  Which of course means no immediate relief to either of us about the diarrhea.  He's not dehydrated, and not anemic (as I was more concerned about from the paleness of his gums).  Now it's just waiting to hear back from his test results, and go from there.

     

    Regardless - I know what I was doing is working on it's own.  Even with the diarrhea, he's gained two pounds in his week with me!

    • Gold Top Dog

    Good luck!

    • Gold Top Dog

    I'm glad you like your new vet!  It's so important to find one you like, even if they cost a little more. 

    It reminds me of a conversation I had a while back with two of my neighbors.  We were discussing vets, and they both poo-poo'd my vet practice because they're more expensive than some others.  I really like them, and they're thorough, but reasonable (ie-don't recommend off-the-wall tests just to make a buck), and, more importantly, they listen to me.  If I'm concerned about anything, they talk to me about it, no matter how long it takes.  They never rush me out the door.  To me, they're worth the little extra they charge because they take care of my boys and give me peace of mind (that's worth its weight in gold!)  I think these neighbors were also peeved because the vets there told them their dogs needed to lose weight.  Well, guess what, ladies, they do.  Their dogs are FAT, lol!!

    If I were in your shoes, I would sit down and write a letter to the owner of the vet practice that you've had these issues with.  A civil letter, but one expressing your very serious concerns.  Your dog could have had a very, very nasty reaction to that medicine.  It could be that the owner isn't aware they have a staff member doing such haphazard things.  Writing the letter can be therapeutic for you, too. Smile

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    I had a fantastic veterinarian when I lived in Knoxville, TN - wish I was still within driving distance of there! They were very reasonably priced, but I would have paid whatever they required they were so good with the animals and the owners.  In fact, when I moved away the vet that was my dog's "primary" physician would still take calls from me if I questioned the care of her new doctor and provide holistic options rather than just jumping straight into chemical medicine.

    While I don't see this clinic being as naturally friendly as my old veterinarian, they are leaps and bounds the best I've found in this area to date, and therefore worth the somewhat inflated prices they charge.

    I got Bear's test results back last night, and as I suspected, it just showed an incredibly high roundworm infestation.  Since he was rewormed when I brought him in, I'll just have to pick up another dose next month.  I can already see a great change in him - he's growing like a weed - I think all the parasites had stunted his growth and development some, and now that the majority of them are dead and gone, his body is trying to catch up.

    Now if I could just solve the problem of him being a sneaky pee-er even when supervised/kept on a lead in the house Wink

    I think I may write that letter now that I've calmed down a degree or two. The interesting part is when I informed this new clinic where I had the difficulties, they didn't seem all that surprised Hmm